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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

tomohawk wrote: post #4

He must think these mandates are like violence. When it doesn't work, you have to double down and do more. You can't possibly take a step back and have a dialog.

He's a spoiled brat that has never been told 'no' in his life in any meaningful way. Now he's an adult in a position of power, learning far too late what it means to compromise, have a dialog, or even bother understanding what others want. It's something he should have learned in his tween years instead of while leading a large industrialized country.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

Jackim wrote: post #54
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

Locking bank accounts at all WITHOUT A TRIAL, seems dystopian. That's a lot of power for the state to have to be able to reach into some ones bank accounts with no due process.

Edit: changed AT ALL to without a trial because on second thought resized it's possible that there are some legit uses for freezing bank accounts.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by s5300 »

voisin wrote: post #78
dblohm7 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been multiple incidents of protesters using large vehicles to smash through police barricades. What do you call that?

Source? I have not seen anything about this on the news.

No post body was provided.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by salawat »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

Thank you! Now you're starting to get what people have been making such a fuss about in the U.S.! The moment you can unilaterally freeze bank accounts of your own citizens, you're basically putting fundamental restrictions on what they can and cannot do! If citizens can't even fund raise for their own protests, you have a problem.

...Now the fact a bunch of donors are American and not Canadian is... Fascinating...

I'm not sure what to do about that little chestnut... Sorry Canada. Welcome to politics by free trade I guess???

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by [deleted] »

Jackim wrote: post #28
ameminator wrote: post #12

Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

I live in Ottawa and I assure you that this protest is not peaceful. I've had friends physically assaulted, spit on, and yelled at just for wearing a mask into a business. Not to mention the constant honking that was reaching levels above 100db inside people's homes. Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes.

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by WesternWind »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #112
Jackim wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

Locking bank accounts at all WITHOUT A TRIAL, seems dystopian. That's a lot of power for the state to have to be able to reach into some ones bank accounts with no due process. Edit: changed AT ALL to without a trial because on second thought resized it's possible that there are some legit uses for freezing bank accounts.

Blocking bridges with trucks to protest public health members seems dystopian.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by tonfreed »

itslennysfault wrote: post #14
vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

Yeeeeeah, I don't know about that. Anyone with their truck there risks forfeiting the asset that was used in commission of a crime. AKA their livelihood and likely most expensive asset. There is certainly not a bottomless pit of people wishing to do that.

Sounds a little silly to confiscate the assets of the people bringing the food to your table. That and the towies in the area are refusing to move any of the trucks.

Trudeau just looks weak at this point, and for a prime minister that got in because of his good looks and his dad's popularity it's not a good omen.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by jcadam »

s5300 wrote: post #104
colechristensen wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't look like , it is authoritarian response to something which should be protected. Using government power intended for things like war to suppress a protest is ridiculous, if this is what being "liberal" is about, I'm out. I hope the response is a protest escalation. Not my country, not my protest, but I know who I'm rooting for. Contrast this to what was happening in Minneapolis a couple of summers ago... p…

Damage in Minneapolis was mostly confined to a singular street. Singular. At no point were fire and police “afraid” to go places in the city either, though I can imagine you may have been watching certain “news” coverage that may have claimed that.

I don't think they were afraid. I think they were under orders not to interfere with the rioters.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by synthos »

busymom0 wrote: post #31
ameminator wrote: post #12

Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

I along with my friends (who are vaxxed but only did so because their work coerced them) have been at the protest in Ottawa for 3 weekends. It's always been peaceful, friendly and almost like Canada day celebrations. It was loud the first week due to honking but even that's stopped. And even if there were honking, that's not violence. I am brown and my buddy is black and neither of us met with anything other than fri…

"It was loud the first week due to honking but even that's stopped. And even if there were honking, that's not violence."

Some trucks had train horns installed, significantly louder than regular horns. Trucks were honking continuously, all night. There is a line where too much noise can be considered violence. Certainly, if I was downtown and had a baby trying to sleep during that shit I'd be throwing rocks at trucks at 2am.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by Jackim »

dang wrote: post #99
Jackim wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Attacking another user will get you banned here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Perhaps you don't feel you owe political opponents better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Sorry, thanks for the reminder. I've had a tough time in my city over the past 3 weeks.
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