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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

He continues. Apple seems to have picked 27% because most payment processors charge 2-3% percent which, after you're done paying the processor, your margin over iAP is going to be 1% at best.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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I wonder what's their reasoning here, it is obvious that this is will not satisfy anybody. Are they buying time? Or do they want to show that they are above everybody and don't try to mess with us (except if you're China of course)? We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum.

> We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum. If you build a lifestyle product, people can and will struggle to separate their own identity from the products they own. People take an insult on Apple like it's an insult on them , which is not a basis for healthy discourse in the slightest. We end up with apologist takes like "I actually like ha…

So 60% of the US population have iPhones because it’s a “lifestyle product”?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

#113
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When I buy an iPhone, I buy an iPhone using a third party payment provider. Apple do not smirk and infer that those payments are made through a provider they don't control. They take my money. They aren't just being "very clear", they are thumbing their nose at the regulator, and joyfully pissing in customer and developer chips as they do so. They are trolling the process. That is very clear.

Perhaps the 27% is a troll, but the warning screen is 100% in line with how they always do things. Just like when you run an executable on your mac that you downloaded from the internet, they warn you and ask you if you really want to open it. That's not about money, it's about making it clear to users what they are about to do, so they don't have a bad experience and are put off Apple products.

Pretty sure in MacOS you just need to flip a toggle once and it'll never prompt you about sideloading again.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

I think he finds it funny in the same way Netflix Death to 2021 is funny or SNL jokes about Trump were funny. It's a way to laugh at a terrible situation. Black sarcastic humour when honestly things really suck.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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I mean the developers are clearly trying to avoid this (among other things) so I can't imagine there's much point.

What do you mean? Many apps are happy to provide one click cancellation, they just don't want to pay 30% of their revenue to Apple.

Ok, I'll pass then.

Good job I was informed via this modal :)

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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I have an iPad from 2013 that works just fine. It only runs iOS 12.5.5, so some modern apps using newer APIs one cannot install. But many things run perfectly ok, just a tad slow. And, if an app doesn't run, the App store offers to install the latest version still compatible with the OS, if available. I don't see how that's compatible with your claim that: > as soon as they stop supporting it, that's it, you now have…

I have a counter example, my ipad mini is effectively a brick, I can't install a modern browser on it because it's too old. period. Allowing external stores could definitely help make it work again.

The original iPad can still browse the internet - when it doesn’t crash because it only has 256MB of RAM.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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I see a problem with the Facebook, the Microsoft, the Epic store with all different rules and payment methods. Having them to cross a common threshold is better for me as an end user.

Then use the common threshold. I'm sure Epic would happy to keep a version of their games on the App Store with all prices inflated by thirty percent.

There won't be any, it will be either go to the epic store or don't use our product. For certain apps it will be a pain in the ass. And to be honest, this is why I buy Apple not Android. I don't want to think about it.

There is more to it than only getting apps. How about family sharing or checking what the minors in my family are downloading?

And if they do it on the App Store I want to see the break up of Nintendo, Sony and Xbox games stores too.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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> I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. It's possible to find something funny and be highly critical of it at the same time. Laughing at something outrageously bad is a pretty standard reaction.

This is like sharing popcorn when the playground bully picks on a kid you don't like.

I believe you’re misinterpreting it. Pretty sure it’s meant sarcastic since even satire magazines like the onion couldn’t make this up.

The germans actually have a word for this: “realsatire”. It means when reality writes better satirical tragedies than anyone of us ever could.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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EU is specifically drafting legislation for gatekeepers in Digital Markets Law. TL;DR Apple and Google will have to allow to install third-party app stores trough their stores. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=COM%3A20... Gatekeepers like Apple will have specific obligation according to Article 5: (b) allow business users to offer the same products or services to end users through third party onlin…

Will these laws also apply to game consoles? Set top boxes?

The current law draft deems you a gatekeeper if you have:

- annual EEA turnover equal to or above EUR 6.5 billion in the last three financial years

- market value of at least EUR 65 billion in the last financial year and it provides a core platform service in at least three Member States

So, I believe it will apply to many game consoles.

More in detail:

Article 2, Definitions

‘Core platform service’ means any of the following:

(a) online intermediation services;

(...)

Article 3, Designation of gatekeepers

Paragraph 1, a provider of core platform services shall be designated as gatekeeper if:

(a) it has a significant impact on the internal market;

(b) it operates a core platform service which serves as an important gateway for business users to reach end users; and

(c) it enjoys an entrenched and durable position in its operations or it is foreseeable that it will enjoy such a position in the near future.

Paragraph 2, a provider of core platform services shall be presumed to satisfy:

(a) the requirement in paragraph 1 point (a) where the undertaking to which it belongs achieves an annual EEA turnover equal to or above EUR 6.5 billion in the last three financial years, or where the average market capitalisation or the equivalent fair market value of the undertaking to which it belongs amounted to at least EUR 65 billion in the last financial year, and it provides a core platform service in at least three Member States;

(b) the requirement in paragraph 1 point (b) where it provides a core platform service that has more than 45 million monthly active end users established or located in the Union and more than 10 000 yearly active business users established in the Union in the last financial year;

for the purpose of the first subparagraph, monthly active end users shall refer to the average number of monthly active end users throughout the largest part of the last financial year;

(c) the requirement in paragraph 1 point (c) where the thresholds in point (b) were met in each of the last three financial years.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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> We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum. If you build a lifestyle product, people can and will struggle to separate their own identity from the products they own. People take an insult on Apple like it's an insult on them , which is not a basis for healthy discourse in the slightest. We end up with apologist takes like "I actually like ha…

So 60% of the US population have iPhones because it’s a “lifestyle product”?

Sure. The "blue bubble" effect is strongest in the United States, and Apple's most iconic catchphrase under Steve Jobs was "it just works". If that's not the hallmark of a technology product being adapted to a lifestyle product, I'm really not sure what is.
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