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These truckers (and most antivaxxers) somehow think they're as stigmatized as the Jews were during WWII so they often wear yellow stars, compare themselves to Anne Frank, and have signs with the SS moniker / draw swastikas over the flags to demonstrate how oppressed they are.. a few made it on TV while the MP was talking to the news crews. Whenever there's anything remotely anti-government the Gadsen/Confederate batt…

Those first three images seem pretty unequivocally using nazi imagery to critique Canada. So they aren’t Nazis, they are people complaining that Canada is acting like Nazis. I haven’t followed this but have heard friends saying that Nazis are participating. I would expect that this means some Nazis were participating. But these images don’t show that. The confederate flags just seem like jerks.

Which is why he said "waving swastikas", not "being Nazis".

But yes, Nazis are getting involved with the anti-vax protests, on the same side as Trump, not on Science's side.

In Germany’s east, far-right extremists find footholds in escalating anti-vaccine protests:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/30/coronavirus-...

>While Kohlmann contends that Free Saxons is not an extremist group, German authorities say it is clearly so. The co-founder, Stefan Hartung, is a member of the district council for Germany’s National Democratic Party, a neo-Nazi party. Kohlmann professed to seek the return of the Saxon monarchy and independence for the state.

>He said the pandemic is an opportunity to reach more people. A “much broader range” of demonstrators join the weekly walks on Monday than anti-immigrant rallies.

>He doesn’t have to reach out to people, he said. They are coming to him.

>“It’s exploding,” he said of the group’s social media presence. The Free Saxons’ Telegram channel had 48,000 followers in August 2021, it has now grown to more than 140,000.

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There are peaceful ways to protest and expressing oneself, occupying a city this way and stealing food from a homeless shelter is not one of them that should be tolerated. Edit: See my comment below for sources on homeless shelter

Stealing food? Can you cite that?

It was covered in the news well [1] [2] [3] [4]. Even Trudeau mentioned it in his comments.

[1] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-staff-hara...

[2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/31/canada-trudeau-deno...

[3] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/police-say-ottawa-tru...

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/world/canada/trudeau-truc...

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

I don't really want to get into the weeds here, but when you take a step back and squint a little bit it's hard to tell if this message was written by someone complaining about Canadian Truckers or about the 2020 Summer riots. Maybe let's lean a little more towards letting people express themselves and not bringing in the people with guns?

> Maybe let's lean a little more towards letting people express themselves and not bringing in the people with guns?

Sounds awesome until I come to your place banging pots and pans all night and blocking your driveway, for an extended period.

As long as someone else is paying the price, standing on principle is easy.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-area-mp-und... I mean I guess you can just pretend the swastikas and rebel flags aren't there. If that makes you feel better.

If your standard is a Nazi flag nearby means everyone is a Nazi then if some random person came to a rally or protest that you support you would consider yourself a Nazi right?

It's not even an actual Nazi flag either.

>"An Alberta MP said he was not aware a person was flying an upside down Canadian flag with a swastika on it behind him"

Someone used a red marker to draw a swastika on a Canadian flag. Big difference. I suspect it is being shared in such a way to make unengaged readers think that it was a bona-fide Third Reich banner.

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really want to get into the weeds here, but when you take a step back and squint a little bit it's hard to tell if this message was written by someone complaining about Canadian Truckers or about the 2020 Summer riots. Maybe let's lean a little more towards letting people express themselves and not bringing in the people with guns?

For one thing, they didn’t block access to hospitals or harass health care workers.

I called 911 during one of those summer 2020 riots and got put on hold for close to 10 minutes. Tough luck for anyone who had a heart attack or stroke during those riots I guess?

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I'm still curious how these sites skirt banking regulations, for what is essentially what PayPal was originally (advertised as sending/ transferring money, but between delays and dark patterns, it really ends up in an account under their control, at least temporarily). If they're going to lock or delete an account (regardless of reason), there should be a requirement that funds are either paid to the benefactor or re…

> If they're going to lock or delete an account (regardless of reason), there should be a requirement that funds are either paid to the benefactor or refunded immediately. Gofundme partially locked the funds because they don’t know who the benefactor is anymore (according to their official statement). Who gets the money? Does it just go to every person in the city with a semi truck or is it just going to some random…

I have posted an update on how the benefactor will be clarified elsewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30192727#30200174

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

#117

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

> okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested?

I would say, just end those unlawful and unscientific vaccine mandates that have a detrimental impact on societies and businesses, so everyone can move on.

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Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.

What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?

Are you trying to say that there are "very fine people on both sides"?

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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give us a source on that 80% truckers are protesting the mandates so people can do what they want live or die on their own terms thats what your last sentence is saying then so you agree?

Source: https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2022-01-14/montreal/le-dele... And no, I don't agree. I'm for a universal vaccination mandate. The government isn't, however. The spokeswoman talking to CBC actually wouldn't answer any questions about their protest or goals, so all I have is speculation as to what they actually want.

If you have one hour, you don't need to speculate: https://rumble.com/vtp2lw-freedom-convoy-organizers-press-co...

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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It surprises me to see GoFundMe bow to political pressure, when the platform is designed to fund people that are standing up against governments.

In other news :

  Kolfage was indicted, along with Steve Bannon and two other co-defendants, on federal charges of defrauding hundreds of thousands of "We Build the Wall" donors by diverting money that was raised to personal use. Federal prosecutors said that despite "repeatedly assuring donors" that Kolfage would not be paid, the defendants engaged in a schemed to pass $350,000 to Kolfage "which he used to fund his lavish lifestyle." Kolfage was separately indicted in May 2021 on federal charges of defrauding the IRS and filing false tax returns.
I'm not surprised at all that they're ensuring things like this don't happen again.
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