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Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by jaclaz »

There is also an issue with "standardization" of commands.

I have been driving since a lot of time, what happened to me lately a couple of times was that renting a car it takes me some time (I mean 10-15 minutes) to get a minimal confidence with commands and features of the UI, besides the most basic ones that thankfully remain the same, there are lots of them that are, in different make/models, completely different, and I am always scared that I can by mistake enable or disable this or that "smart" thing.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by herbst »

junon wrote: post #5

Same with TVs, please. I can't find a single OLED on the market that doesn't have Android or some shitty Samsung OS installed on it.

I am just looking for a low tech TV for my grandmum as those boxes we need to run older TVs with modern TV signal always break.

The reality is, simple is only available in the luxury segment.

I am prolly going with a 'OK' brand one. Even thought I hated their ugly OS it is the only I've found so far that somewhat acts as a 'classic' TV.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by [deleted] »

noduerme wrote: post #71
tsujp wrote: post #41

One thing I was flabbergasted at recently was Tesla offering, and the government allowing, regular drivers to use a yoke steering wheel like F1 drivers. Not only is it harder for the average person to handle but their firmware hadn't accounted for the fact that if you steer fully left or right the yoke is upside down and if you try and indicate it ends up indicating on the wrong side. What is wrong with a wheel and f…

I think these gimmicks and the new touchscreen UI serve a purpose for Tesla. Their goal is to make the car so divorced from human input that (1) it becomes increasingly reasonable to claim that an unfinished self-driving system is no more dangerous than a human in the loop, and (2) their fan base is conditioned to accept the eventuality of having no meaningful input (or feedback) at all. As for part two, I noticed it…

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Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by saiya-jin »

porknubbins wrote: post #23

Power seats are not a pointless luxury. I’m pretty sure they are continuously adjustable which is much better than trying to pull on some lever and get the seat to pop into approximately the right place. To say nothing of mulitple drivers with memorized positions etc.

Exactly, plus movement in more directions (up & down, didn't see a single car with manual adjustment that allowed this), very useful for us blessed with non-standard body dimensions (ie I am quite tall). It changes default-settings car where I touch roof with my head into one where there is more than 5cm/2" clearance.

Adjustable tightness of part of the seat above your hips which keeps you better in tight/fast curves. Heating for cold starts. Massage for luxury. My BMW has it all apart from massage and its makes longer drives much more pleasant.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by jaclaz »

Zababa wrote: post #100
linux-user wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are all your chairs at home and office also powered?

Chairs at home and office aren't fixed in place to a vehicle that has a battery.

Ok, what about airplane or bus and train seats?

They are fixed in place to a vehicle with a battery, still you don't have them powered.

Not that car ones (powered, heating, massaging, etc.) are not nice and comfortable, only that they remain a form of luxury.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by t0bia_s »

I like to know how to repair things that I use. Phone, PC, washing machine... Same is for car.

If we let big tech/companies sorround us by things that we don't know how actually works or how to fix them, then we are screwed and completely dependent on their rules and trends. For example imagine that car will be manufactured without opening windows, like modern trains. Or they have implemented CO2 meters that collect data and limit traveling based on regulations made by gonverments.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by ohgodplsno »

tsujp wrote: post #41

One thing I was flabbergasted at recently was Tesla offering, and the government allowing, regular drivers to use a yoke steering wheel like F1 drivers. Not only is it harder for the average person to handle but their firmware hadn't accounted for the fact that if you steer fully left or right the yoke is upside down and if you try and indicate it ends up indicating on the wrong side. What is wrong with a wheel and f…

Just like everything done by Tesla: they have absolutely no experience in making cars, and it shows really badly. Terrible construction quality that I don't even experience on a 10k € Dacia, touch screens everywhere (it's already bad enough when it's just the radio or Android Auto, but a bunch of critical features are on the touch screen), the yoke having no physical feedback and clearly no thought other than "wow futuristic" behind it.

Smoke and mirrors is Tesla's way of operating. Look at the coverage they got out of the yoke. Out of FSD. It doesn't matter that they are terrible: there'll be 100 articles about it releasing and 2 about it being a bad idea.

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by t0bia_s »

junon wrote: post #7
Fezzik wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly recommend TCL TVs. The remotes are super simple (with just the buttons you need), the UI is straightforward and you never have to connect to the internet. I’m on my second panel, only because I wanted to downsize from 65” to a 55” when I moved, and connected to an AppleTV it is a dream to use. Edit, to add: the OLEDs aren’t to market yet… but they’re on the way!

All of their products appear to be "smart". Why can't they just make a TV that is... a TV?

They do... It is called "monitor".

Re: Please make a dumb car

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Post by ohgodplsno »

mab122 wrote: post #40

I would recommend checking out Dacia and Lada (coincidentally now both are now under Renault group) https://www.renaultgroup.com/en/our-company/our-brands/dacia... https://www.renaultgroup.com/en/our-company/our-brands/lada/

Dacias have gotten surprisingly good, yes. The initial models were... dubious, to say the least, but the recent offerings have had an amazing cost/quality ratio. Hell, their EV offerings are some of the best on the market.
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