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Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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The 'flip once' rule is to NOT get an even cook. For steak at least, it's nice to have a slightly crispy outer and tender pink inside.

I thought flip once rule was to encourage keeping the lid closed so the temperature stays even.

Everytime u open the lid, all the hot air is released and the grill takes time to reach steady temp.

Still... I've done both ways and they certainly work.

Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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The same reason people drink, smoke, do heroin, and do California stops at intersections. In the case of steak, the particular reason is because it's delicious.

If the consumer had to grow the cow in complete unconsciousness without antibotics and with enough room to avoid close contact with other wild and domestic animals to prevent superbug evolution, slaughter it, cook it, and pay for all of the GHG offsets of the entire supply chain necessary to support it, then it would be fine. Or, it's not, and it's an indulgence worse and different than heroin because its widespread…

I hate to break it to you ecc, but you can spend your entire life in perfect stoic harmony with nature. Wearing twigs and leaves, living off grubs, and ultimately dying from an infected tooth while curled up under some boulder in the canyon lands and it's not going to change the mean global temperature even a trillionth of a degree. My advice would be to learn to live a little, because a little life is all you've got.

Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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There's not much marrow to recover from a rib bone, which is why they don't sell rib bones as marrow bones.

Fair, but given their incredulous "bones have more flavor than meat?" I figured it was worth pointing out that bones do in fact have flavour. Also I think some steaks (like T-bone) do have some amount of marrow, their myth doesn't specify rib steaks.

The marrow you're getting out of a marrow bone (ie: the marrow you're getting when you order a dish at a restaurant that has "bone marrow" in it, or features marrow) is also not the same kind of marrow as is in the thin/small bones you're getting in a steak. No, I don't think marrow is making bone-in steak taste better.

(Marrow, though, would make a steak taste better! Order a marrow bone, cook the marrow, and then baste your steak with it when you sear it.)

Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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>set toaster oven to 250, cook steak for 20 minutes That seems really fast, at least compared to the time I get with a regular oven. Either you're using really thin steaks, or your toaster oven's temperature is way off.

I'm cooking to temp, not to time; I pull them when the Thermapen says the steak's near 115. But I set the timer on my toaster oven to 20 minutes (after preheating, starting immediately when the steaks go in) and watch out of the corner of my eye for the display to go blue when the timer expires, which is when I check the steak temp the first time. I guess every once in awhile I end up giving it another 5 minutes, but…

I'm jonesing to get my hands on a countertop combi oven like the Anova.

You could automate this entire process with much better temperature control and an internal probe to get the timing right. I've done engineering on professional combis and what you can do with those is pretty awesome.

Anova won't be the one to make it in the mass market but eventually one of them will step up to kick off the next air fryer craze (since combis can do that too)

Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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Seventy minutes ?! Turn your oven up. Wow.

How thick are your steaks and what temperature do they start at? My steaks take almost two hours following the Kenji method D: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ez9pz35wrn7j1o/steak.png?dl=0

Assume a Whole Foods ribeye as the reference steak here. They should not take anything close to 2 hours (you'll note that Kenji's guide agrees). Turn your oven up!

Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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Myth #3 (Bone-in steak has more flavor than boneless) seems a bit of a strawman, the version they disprove is "the bone somehow imparts flavour onto the meat", but they then go on to say that: > I personally find the tiny bits of connective tissue-rich meat, fat, and gristle stuck to the bone to be the tastiest part of the steak So yeah, unless you can get the bone out perfectly you'll get more flavoursome meat if yo…

> Also it's not entirely insane to believe bones impart flavour

Brown stock is made from roasted bones, among other things, so I too feel somewhat skeptical about the claim that bones cannot import at least some sort of flavor.

Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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I'm cooking to temp, not to time; I pull them when the Thermapen says the steak's near 115. But I set the timer on my toaster oven to 20 minutes (after preheating, starting immediately when the steaks go in) and watch out of the corner of my eye for the display to go blue when the timer expires, which is when I check the steak temp the first time. I guess every once in awhile I end up giving it another 5 minutes, but…

I'm jonesing to get my hands on a countertop combi oven like the Anova. You could automate this entire process with much better temperature control and an internal probe to get the timing right. I've done engineering on professional combis and what you can do with those is pretty awesome. Anova won't be the one to make it in the mass market but eventually one of them will step up to kick off the next air fryer craze…

I am too, but I assume countertop combis are going to do the same thing circulators did and cost and arm and a leg now and then like 1/3rd as much 2 years from now for much better products.

Re: Myths about cooking steak that need to go away (2013)

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Or: the myth the whole of humanity needs to eat expensive, inefficiently-produced, rainforest clearing, climate change-inducing, antibiotics-immune superbug-breeding, unhealthy animal protein grown on CAFOs. Roughly 12% of GHGs are attributed to meat agriculture. Since few people decide anything rationally since they want their steaks and Big Macs, I challenge anyone to visit Greeley CO, Tar Heel NC or North Platte N…

Isn't the rainforest clearing caused by local consumption in South America, and not actually part of US supply chains?

Climate change is another thing that will be very bad (about as bad as WW2), but mostly to other people and not us, and ending society is a tail risk but not the median prediction. So using it to get Americans to stop doing things either isn't very convincing or requires you to lie. The most important thing by far is to get people to drive less.

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