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Re: Music subscriber market shares Q2 2021

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Post by criddell » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:22 PM UTC

salamandersauce wrote: post #68

criddell wrote: post #48

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I've been trying to use Apple Music with their web client and it's astonishingly slow. I can't understand how it could be so bad.

Yeah it's not good. I've only used a handful of times and every single time it just stopped playing in the middle of a song for no reason. It also sucks that they can't be bothered to create apps for anything other than their own stuff and Android. I can use Amazon music or Spoify with my Garmin Watch but not Apple Music.

I think you can still use iTunes on Windows.

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Post by zuminator » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:22 PM UTC

Apple Music comes "free" with my phone service, and I use it sometimes. YouTube Premium is a must for me, and it comes with YouTube Music, which I use very occasionally. Yet I still subscribe to, and overwhelmingly use Spotify. It just seems much more organized and discoverable than the other two services. Also I don't make personal playlists because I enjoy listening to unknown music interspersed with my favorites, and Spotify seems to be the best at giving me the right mixture of that.

There are some music genres that Spotify is somewhat deficient in compared with Apple, but it's been getting better in that respect little by little.

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Post by deadmutex » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:23 PM UTC

msbarnett wrote: post #102

gerash wrote: post #70

I recently switched to iPhone from Pixel. The overall UI touch responsiveness and battery life is an upgrade but the OS features are neither upgrade or downgrade. I also got Apple Music trial for 6 months while having a YT subscription. Even though the app seems just fine and nice looking but why would anyone pay for it vs. YouTube Music? With YouTube you get a larger selection of songs (including all user uploaded s…

> So what exactly is the rationale to pay for Apple Music? For $20 my wife and I both get Apple Music, Apple TV+ (several shows we enjoy on there), 200GB Cloud Storage, and subscription access to a bunch of video games. 2 subscriptions to YouTube Music by itself would cost us the same $20, with none of the other benefits (and it has a muuuuch lousier selection of stuff I like, at least – plus a lot of the user-upload…

> 2 subscriptions to YouTube Music by itself would cost us the same $20

FYI: There's a family plan... ~$18 for 5 people in the household. And no ads on YT!

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Post by Steltek » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

wwweston wrote: post #34

I pulled the trigger on an Apple Music subscription this year because it pays artists better. Spotify still considers a penny per stream "entitled" according to an exec giving one of the most absolutely tone-deaf AND nonsensical justifications for their choices ("we solved piracy by more or less adopting piracy's business model and legitimizing it!") [0] Apple stepped up to that level. [1] Revenue streams from record…

I signed up for Google Play Music for the same reason, artist payout, long ago.

It looks like Youtube Music is still the highest among the major brands.

https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2021/09/why-youtube-musics-m...

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Post by speedgoose » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

circa wrote: post #19

I made the switch last September from Spotify back to Apple Music. 1 reason and 1 reason only. Lossless. Why Spotify still doesn't offer this as an option is beyond me. I get that its a small amount of people who care but still why not offer it? I would pay a little more to use their service.

Do you notice the difference between lossless and 320kbits/s ogg vorbis ?

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Post by bee_rider » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

fullstop wrote: post #51

bee_rider wrote: post #18

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Does Apple or Spotify have some sort of extra feature over Amazon that would appeal to non-casual listeners? I had Apple for a bit, switched over to Amazon because of the Prime discount... while I'm aware that morally I should de-Amazon my life, the service is pretty convenient.

For me, Spotify is everywhere. It works on Google Home, Echo, Xboxes, PC, Linux, Android, etc. For quite a while, Google Music wouldn't work on Echo devices and Amazon Music wouldn't work on Google Home. Spotify worked everywhere, had native applications, and a decent value for a family plan.

Interesting. I've got Linux, Windows, and iOS here. The main annoyance of Amazon is that they don't appear to have a native client for Linux. At least not in my repo. I don't really mind the web interface, the higher bitrates are limited to the native client for some silly reason.

As it is... I just end up plugging my phone into my dac/amp as a (pretty stupid, IMO) workaround.

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Post by Steltek » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:27 PM UTC

anoonmoose wrote: post #37

fourseventy wrote: post #25

I was a long time user of Google Play Music until they killed it and moved everyone over to the inferior YouTube Music product. I suffuer through it mostly because it comes bundled with YouTube+ which removes ads.

Long time user of Google Play Music as well and I gotta say...while YouTube Music is slightly inferior (edit: to GPM), it's not even close to inferior enough to convince me to go back to Spotify. Granted, it does look like Spotify finally fixed the thing that got me to leave in the first place (10K library limit) but there's nothing so bad about YTM that I'd bother to pick up and move again.

The biggest problem with the GPM -> YTM transition was that my kids were suddenly locked out of music (as Google didn't allow kids accounts to have YT and YTM fell under that). This was a serious problem and I don't understand why they let it happen.

Thankfully, I got an email not 5 minutes ago saying that kids can use YTM again. Remarkably good timing on that one.

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Post by dopa42365 » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:27 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #8

gfiorav wrote: post #2

Big surprise for me is Amazon music... with 13%! I don't know anyone that uses it. Maybe it's a regional thing?

Long term, Spotify and Netflix are in trouble. Amazon and Apple are in this space, and they can use their trillion dollar market caps to decimate single-revenue stream companies. The Department of Justice should do something about this. Neither Amazon nor Apple should be in these businesses. They do too much and apply price pressure unfairly. If this continues, $1T+ tech will be the entire economy. Netflix, Spotify,…

Spotify owns 50% of Tencent Music (pretty much Chinese Spotify). Tencent owns 20% of Universal Music Group, and a few percent of Warner Music as well.

They're all connected; you have that illusion of choice, and no matter what you pick, everyone wins (yay)!

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Post by msbarnett » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:29 PM UTC

Steltek wrote: post #110

msbarnett wrote: post #102

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> So what exactly is the rationale to pay for Apple Music? For $20 my wife and I both get Apple Music, Apple TV+ (several shows we enjoy on there), 200GB Cloud Storage, and subscription access to a bunch of video games. 2 subscriptions to YouTube Music by itself would cost us the same $20, with none of the other benefits (and it has a muuuuch lousier selection of stuff I like, at least – plus a lot of the user-upload…

Youtube Music has a family plan for $15/m for 5 users and all users also get YT Premium (nee Red). It's a way better deal.

Ehhhhh there's just the 2 of us, so with none of the other benefits, which to me are worth $5, it's not an interesting deal. Plus neither of us spend any time on YouTube so that whole "Premium" ad-free thing is just meaningless access to absolute junk content.

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Post by spoonjim » Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:30 PM UTC

Kind of sucks that if you build any really successful app on iOS then Apple will come in and force their way into your market and have deep analytics on your own app when doing so. Spotify->Apple Music, Netflix -> Apple TV+, Peloton-> Apple Fitness.