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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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post #97

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It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

This is a lie, and you have an agenda. The "United Arab List" is part of the current government (!) not of the parliament, but the government itself that is formed. Representing many Arabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List Anyone who repeats the lie of "apartheid" is either malinformed, or has some antisemitic agenda to pro

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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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This blames Israel for 9/11, what a joke.

Does it? >(32) 5 Israelis working for an Israeli Company "Urban Moving" were arrested on 9/11 after being seen "documenting" (their own words during an Israeli interview) and celebrating the attack on the WTC. Owner of the company, Dominik Suter, fled to Israel after the incident. His name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the 9/11 hijackers and other suspected extremists. Israel has yet to extrad…

The FBI released them [1].. as they were found out to be spies but not with any pre-knowledge about 9/11 so why even include that in the list? Unless you want to do a little dog-whistling. This is Anti-Semitism 101 (Jews controls the world).

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20020802194310/https://abcnews.g...

and also

[2] "Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories"

Page 7 :

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf...

"...despite the FBI's statement that it had found no connection between the five men and the attacks."

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?

Many countries in the Middle East are islamic theocracies, so they limit religious freedom by their very constitution. However, even in Iran, a person of Jewish heritage who converts to Islam should not have any (official legal) barriers to entry in political life. In a country ruled by a church, that seems relatively reasonable.

I believe the comment was referring to 'a person of Jewish heritage' who do not convert to Islam.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. However, their tools are used on American without warrants. It would be in our interests as citizens to flag all employees of NSO as spies and try them.

I wish America was the sort of nation that would sanction them for using draconian surveillance of their own citizens.

Unfortunately Israel is effectively politically sanction-proof - even for much more abhorrent policies and actions.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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1) You didn't open the link... now did you? 2) "sacrificing his own life" what a poetic gesture ... never thought of a terrorist bomb suiciding as such a beautiful act.

He gave up his own life trying to fight an unwinnable war against genocidal colonising europeans who had taken over his motherland, forced his people into barely habitable camps, and crushed their souls in a decades-long campaign of violence.

There's nothing beautiful about it. It's all ugly.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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"In other cases, NSO’s spyware was installed in the phone of citizens to try to find and collect data and information that isn’t necessarily connected to an investigation or suspicions but simply for investigators to use this data later on as a means of pressure on people being interrogated." aka Blackmail

And anyone who thinks their own country isnt doing the same is deluded! The Security Services has to protect a country which means getting involved in everything, organised crime as well as business, and then when they feel things need to change direction, the security services have the tools aka blackmail information to make that change happen... in most cases!

Yeah, no, this is bullshit. People don’t just have agencies (Mossad, CIA), they also have agency as in: the power to change reality. And the vast majority of democratic countries are run by people who have a decent appreciation of the rule of law, which is what stands between your actual freedom and your gloomy fantasies.

Then, there’s also a group of countries that simply cannot afford / don’t have the people to do these things.

How do I know? Consider the usual suspects for these operations: the US, Israel, Russia, and China. For every single one of them, we also have examples of their work that got leaked or otherwise exposed.

What are the chances that Belgium happens to be the country that manages to run such a program and keep it secret? Or Equatorial Guinea?

Then, there’s also the growing list of known customers of NSO: if two dozens of them decided to buy this software, chances are they do not have homegrown solutions with similar capabilities. Nor does it seem as if there were any other sellers at NSO’s scale. Meaning: if we successively learn about all of NSO’s business, we might be getting close to knowing everything there is to know about the sector, with the exception of the large countries mentioned above.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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post #67

"In other cases, NSO’s spyware was installed in the phone of citizens to try to find and collect data and information that isn’t necessarily connected to an investigation or suspicions but simply for investigators to use this data later on as a means of pressure on people being interrogated." aka Blackmail

And anyone who thinks their own country isnt doing the same is deluded! The Security Services has to protect a country which means getting involved in everything, organised crime as well as business, and then when they feel things need to change direction, the security services have the tools aka blackmail information to make that change happen... in most cases!

I'm only aware of one case where the US government, without warrant, actively hacked its own citizens using a 0day, which was when the FBI exploited a 0day to compromise users of TOR who, as I recall, were looking to access CSAM. Even when going after a bunch of pedophiles I think there was a good bit of controversy there.

I think there may actually have been a warrant for some part of the access, idk.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it would be quite a scandal to find that the government was performing warrantless exploitation of citizen's personal devices. Maybe someone can correct me here and show that this has been the case.

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