Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

axios.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 165 posts

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#111

Post by anamax »

lmilcin wrote: post #29
KETpXDDzR wrote: post #9

I have the feeling that many people (especially politicians) think that global warming is a linear process. It's not. It might even be exponential since some sources for climate-warming are affected by warmer climate. For example, melting ice that reflects sunlight back to space [ https://arcticwwf.org/places/last-ice-area/ ]. I'm thinking about choosing a new place to live right now. Climate change is a big factor f…

It isn't even exponential, it might be much worse than that. Tipping points have ability to change our climate in a very, very short time. For example, Gulfstream breaking or redirecting can be a sudden event. Many people forget that Europe is very far north compared to its climate. If you chose a lattitude so that half Canadians live north of it and half south of it, that lattitude would intersect Croatia, Italy and…

According to https://matadornetwork.com/read/where-canadians-live-south-l..., 70% of Canadians live south of the 49th parallel. That line is the US/Canada border for much of the country. (It isn't the border in the east, where Toronto, Ottawa, and Montréal are.)

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#112

Post by throwamon »

mandmandam wrote: post #92

I'd like to remind the HN community, some of whom are rather quick to defend the corporate matrix, that fossil fuel companies saw this coming in the 70s and covered it up. And they had broad, deep-pocketed support. Government subsidized them, and protected them after their oil spills. Media ran Exxon and Chevron's greenwashing ads, Police beat up protesters, going so far as to infiltrate their groups, seduce their le…

I don't doubt any of what you said, this question is out of interest -- do you have sources about each of these things?

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#113

Post by King-Aaron »

Diederich wrote: post #72
KETpXDDzR wrote: post #9

I have the feeling that many people (especially politicians) think that global warming is a linear process. It's not. It might even be exponential since some sources for climate-warming are affected by warmer climate. For example, melting ice that reflects sunlight back to space [ https://arcticwwf.org/places/last-ice-area/ ]. I'm thinking about choosing a new place to live right now. Climate change is a big factor f…

> I'm thinking about choosing a new place to live right now. Climate change is a big factor for that. I'd honestly love to hear your thinking about how to find a climate-change 'aware' location to live, thanks.

Space?

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#114

Post by betwixthewires »

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that constantly ringing the alarm bells desensitizes people. These sorts of articles year after year are creating people that either don't care or don't think their life matters enough to care, considering "life won't be worth living in 20 years anyways."

So I'm not sure what there is to be done, it's like a catch 22. Tell people nothing and they leave it out of their minds, tell them about it and they get desensitized, maybe mobilizing the people is doomed to fail from the start and this thing is irreversible.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#115

Post by King-Aaron »

willio58 wrote: post #18

Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

I had this thought in the back of my mind, but we had a kid anyway. I just plan to train him to be an excellent archer and swordsman so he can take control of the coming wastelands

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#116

Post by King-Aaron »

toss1 wrote: post #99
reidjs wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony of this is that the people who care about the wellbeing of the planet enough to question having children due to climate concerns are the ones who really should be having children. They are more likely to raise them to be conscious of issues like this, to look for solutions, and to minimize their impact.

And right there, you have the thesis underlying the plot for Idiocracy, a time-shifted documentary masquerading as a comedy, in which the value of t is claimed to be 500 years, but is actually unknown (and current data suggest far lower value).

Such an underrated movie

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#117

Post by hffftz »

willio58 wrote: post #18

Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

They possibly could also save the world from climate change?

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#118

Post by mandmandam »

throwamon wrote: post #112
mandmandam wrote: post #92

I'd like to remind the HN community, some of whom are rather quick to defend the corporate matrix, that fossil fuel companies saw this coming in the 70s and covered it up. And they had broad, deep-pocketed support. Government subsidized them, and protected them after their oil spills. Media ran Exxon and Chevron's greenwashing ads, Police beat up protesters, going so far as to infiltrate their groups, seduce their le…

I don't doubt any of what you said, this question is out of interest -- do you have sources about each of these things?

Sure, why not. In order:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-...

https://generation180.org/the-absurd-truth-about-fossil-fuel...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/04/exxon-po...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/19/undercover-police...

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/10/steven-donziger-loretta-p...

https://generation180.org/the-absurd-truth-about-fossil-fuel...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/m...

Disclaimer: I have not read all of these specific sources; they are the result of quick searches. There are many other sources to choose from - if you have a nit to pick, I suggest DuckDuckGo.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#119

Post by rad_gruchalski »

willio58 wrote: post #18

Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

> Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change?

Yes. One of the reasons. A major one.

Re: World ocean temperatures in 2021 were the hottest ever recorded

#120

Post by agensaequivocum »

willio58 wrote: post #18

Is anyone on HN reconsidering having children because of climate change? Recently I've had a big shift myself on this topic, probably influenced by not many women my age (younger than 30) having any interest in bringing a child into a world where they could potentially suffer real physical danger due to climate change.

Not in the slightest. I just turned 28 and have 4 with, hopefully, more to come!
Post reply on HN