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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by routerl »

kinghtown wrote: post #93
rnmwfQ3f wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife is Taiwanese, so I can confirm Taiwanese and Chinese get along fine. Many marriages, friendships and business partnerships cross the Taiwan Strait. However Taiwanese people don't use their passport to travel to China. China doesn't recognise it. They are issued a travel permit by the PRC, similar to citizens of Hong Kong and Macau.

I was just talking to someone who came back from working in Shanghai and that’s not what she told me but it’s very possible she misunderstood my question.

ROC and PROC don't recognize each others' passports, since both states hold the official position that the other state does not exist (and that travelling between the mainland and Taiwan does not, therefore, count as "international travel").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainland_Travel_Permit_for_Tai...

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by starfallg »

wonnage wrote: post #38
andriesm wrote: post #10

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It would help if you can list the good facts, especially when it comes to free access of information by citizens, or their desire to swallow up the independence of Hong Kong and Taiwan.

I'll take the bait: - Standard of living has increased incomprehensibly over the last 40 years. - Huge cities with incredible culture and history. - Safe to walk around at night. Imagine walking around downtown NYC or LA at 3am without feeling like you're gonna get mugged. - Despite all the saber rattling with neighbors Taiwan, Japan, and India, and quarterly tank parades, not involved in hot wars since a misguided i…

I'll take the bait-bait -

>- Standard of living has increased incomprehensibly over the last 40 years.

So did in Taiwan, SK, Japan, Hong Kong, Sinagpore, etc. in the 50s-90s. China is actually behind, and was slow to develop because of the mess that the revolution caused.

>- Safe to walk around at night. Imagine walking around downtown NYC or LA at 3am without feeling like you're gonna get mugged.

As above, the authoritarianism didn't cause this. Walk around 3am at night in any city in Japan, SK or Taiwan, it is the same.

Unfortunately, that's not the case in HK anymore, especially if you look young, as you'll probably be treated as an insurgent by the police.

>Belt & Road might have some predatory loans but they're better than Predator drones.

Since we're playing et tu now, how about all the bases in the South China Seas and the border skirmishes with India? By all indications, if the US was not the world police, then China's (or Russia's) response, judging by their recent actions, would have been even worse.

You also failed to mention China's role in the Korean war, in addition to Vietnam.

>- COVID has been well-controlled. Wuhan escape was inevitable, just look at how fast variants have spread even with (initially) 70-90% effective vaccines.

Hard to see COVID as a defence for China given that most of the world is still ticked off that China covered everything up, twice, leading to pandemic both times. It's surprising that they didn't learn the mistakes of SARS, and here we are with SARS-2.

>- Hong Kong Colony was leased to Britain under duress and returned by mutual and legal agreement; there is no independence argument here

This really betrays your sympathies. You don't even consider that what the people of Hong Kong desires and their right to self-determination. Hong Kong is more than just a few islands and a bit of land hanging off of the mainland.

>- The last invasion of Taiwan was by the KMT when they fled there in 1949. Today's military provocation consists of flying some jets into an ADIZ (50% of which actually covers Fujian province in China) or shooting some ordnance into the sea.

What is even your point here? Are you trying to say that it's actually Taiwan provoking China?

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by jabbany »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #41
routerl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Green is the color of the Democratic Progressive Party (currently in power, and the historical anti-KMT (read: anti-authoritarian) party)[0]. Green has thus become the color of the Taiwanese independence movement (i.e. not "Republic of China", but "Republic of Taiwan") Blue is the color of the KMT (former dictator party)[1], whose logo is still the top-left quadrant of the flag of Taiwan[2]. Historically, this party…

How did that takeover happen?

Back in the day, the KMT (Nationalist party) was the conservative counterpart to the progressive CCP (Communist party).

After the civil war stalemate, this left the mainland with only a progressive party and Taiwan with only a conservative party.

Then Taiwan developed its own progressive party. And nowadays the CCP is becoming much more conservative under Xi... so... yeah...

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by medstrom »

sverhagen wrote: post #62
nobrains wrote: post #56

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Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Eventually they'll figure out at what street corner to stand to find people with the leanings they want to film, if they're intent on coloring the reporting. At some point you'll also have to let go and trust the reporter or the outlet they work for, which admittedly is an increasingly challenging decision, these days.

Don't even have to do that, literally everyone passing them by could have been instructed on what to say, out-of-view.

If there's a solution it's probably something akin to research preregistration.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by vlkr »

platinumrad wrote: post #92
vlkr wrote: post #35

I wonder how many accounts the chinese state maintains on hackernews to upvote/downvote post and comments. It's an easy way to influence the public opinion and hard to expose.

Looking at the typical patterns of voting and commenting, do you honestly think the CCP runs an effective influence operation on this site?

If you look what the CCP does elsewhere it's not unlikely, eg. https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot...

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by kinghtown »

routerl wrote: post #111
kinghtown wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just talking to someone who came back from working in Shanghai and that’s not what she told me but it’s very possible she misunderstood my question.

ROC and PROC don't recognize each others' passports, since both states hold the official position that the other state does not exist (and that travelling between the mainland and Taiwan does not, therefore, count as "international travel"). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainland_Travel_Permit_for_Tai...

Well, I stand corrected.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by starfallg »

platinumrad wrote: post #82
starfallg wrote: post #63

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>Well, things like the normalization of everyday life (nothing like under Maoism where everybody was paranoid and millions died, people live regular lives, even with the authoritative rule of the party), opening up to businesses, lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, big health and education access, huge infrastructure updates and development, great technical and scientific progress, becoming the world's numbe…

Really scary that some people don't realize the parallels between Germany in the 1930s and, uh, people not starving anymore.

Germans were starving in the 20s too due to the outcome of WWI. The Nazi 'fixed' that.

And since we're talking about people starving, why don't we talk about the Great Leap forward and the massive famines caused by CCP policy?

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by ridaj »

laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

I mean the sad thing about this one is that of all the vox pop content producers, Asian Boss doesn't do nearly the worst manipulation or selective editing. (The worst ones make people sound like idiots, which is unfortunately pretty easy.) Some of their content is genuinely powerful for it and frankly this video on the whole is pretty amazing by the thoughtfulness of the people they interview. It's too bad that they had to arrange something to get a pro-unification viewpoint on camera, but it would've been ok if they'd just owned up to it with a brief caption introducing that person as who they are. The real problem is they didn't do that and I do agree with TFA that it's a bad ethical lapse.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by dncornholio »

kzrdude wrote: post #85
dncornholio wrote: post #18

For me it was apparent this channel is pure propoganda and i'm astonished this is up so high on HN. Couldn't even take the channel serious.

Which videos/topics are affected by that, in your opinion? Just curious what you have seen, since they have videos from multiple countries by multiple authors.

My memory recalls an interview from a guy who escaped from Korea. There were other warning signs as well but much more subtle and I don't recall them exactly. Like some people are being a bit too positive or some people seem to be oddly specific in their answers.

I'm sure they have legit videos as well, but I can't be bothered by such channels.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by krageon »

beaconstudios wrote: post #94
krageon wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm talking about Fascism as it is commonly understood: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

yeah me too - from your link: > often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition the first part of that is the defining part of fascism - the state id…

In this case I thought the racial superiority angle was relevant, which is why fascism was a good fit for what I was describing.
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