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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
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1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…
> 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true 30-64yo are a significant percentage of total deaths. 30-55 is probably a reasonable age range for parents with dependent children. > 3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage o…
> 3. Covid is not a one and done. You get it, and it can have long term lasting effects even if it doesn't kill you. That applies to children as well.
> 3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage of children
> There is no long term data either way anywhere because we have to live through it first.
If we don’t have long term data one way or the other, why is the starting assumption that children will experience long Covid to the same extent and same severity as adults (especially given that they have much lower rates of getting a serious case of covid compared to adults)?
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I'd say those who made it happen like it is right now are what we call the "victors" in the sentence of "history is written by the victors". So it could be the case that those who had a more moderate and less extremist take will be scolded in the history books.
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#114I lost my best friend and a mentee to suicide in 2021, both in their early 20s.
My most important observation is that both of them killed themselves for a myriad of overlapping reasons: childhood trauma from physical abuse, lack of access to therapy, body shame/eating disorders, and stress from experiencing discrimination/hate in their schools and religious communities, as well as more issues which I’m sure were hidden from those around them. They both had problems before the pandemic, COVID just added another to the list.
In a way, theres a reason to be optimistic - any problem you solve that’s causing people real suffering will reduce suicides. There are so many opportunities to tackle this problem.
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
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> 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true 30-64yo are a significant percentage of total deaths. 30-55 is probably a reasonable age range for parents with dependent children. > 3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage o…
> What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? Indeed. Parents should also be vaccinated. It would be reasonable to delay school until that point. (This is an additional delay over those previously mentioned in parent comments in this thread.) However, we should also expect that all parents will be exposed to the virus sooner or later, as we have been told fr…
It's not just about death though, it's about hospitalization and long term effects too. We've had multiple major variants.
Also what number of orphans is acceptable? 30% of the US won't vaccinate. Delta has a mortality rate of 3+%(1) by the most charitable takes. Rough math would show that could add somewhere under 1 million orphans to the system.
Do we also ignore medical costs for those who get sick? What about the hospital resources those people take up?
Again, there's just so much more than "just the children"
1. I'm estimating 3% for Delta by taking the NHS estimate of 1.9% CFR for Alpha and the subsequent estimates that Delta had around double the risk of fatality.
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I don't think the reaction was hysterical, the united States ranks 14 out of over 200 countries for most deaths to COVID per capita, and we don't even have high population density.
NYC just released data that shows 50% of those hospitalized and Covid positive, were not admitted for Covid, but another condition . Makes you wonder about deaths counts too?
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> 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true 30-64yo are a significant percentage of total deaths. 30-55 is probably a reasonable age range for parents with dependent children. > 3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage o…
> 3. Covid is not a one and done. You get it, and it can have long term lasting effects even if it doesn't kill you. That applies to children as well. > 3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage of children > There is no long term data either way anywhere because we have to live through it first. If we don’t have long term data one way or the other, why is the starting assumption t…
Because early results show that there are long term effects in children, we just don't know how bad, and we already know about long covid in adults. Long covid also doesn't require having very severe symptoms either.
And again, children don't exist in a vacuum and can therefore cause long term issues in adults.
This is about being cautious based on what we do know. And we do know it's a crippling societal risk that children are such a huge vector.
Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…
> 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true 30-64yo are a significant percentage of total deaths. 30-55 is probably a reasonable age range for parents with dependent children. > 3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage o…
> What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die?
What will my mother's friend's family do after their father, husband and sole provider died within 10 minutes of taking the vaccine, right there on the spot, on the vaccine queue? (Answer: the family almost got evicted by the way. And lived in poverty for 7-8 months before recovering.)
Where do we draw the line, I ask?
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medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave
I think this take is a little extreme. I grew up in a very small town. You couldn’t get to the city without driving 30 minutes to a bus stop. I didn’t like it very much, and really looked forward to moving to a city. However, there were a plethora of parks, ponds, baseball and basketball courts, skateboarding parks, and an ice rink nearby that were somewhat walkable. Yeah I spent a little too much time on the compute…
How close to you did those friends live? Did you need to drive in order to spend time with them?
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I’ve pondered this on occasion. In this era of people in their 80s holding many of the major positions in government and business in the US, I wonder whether this was their final attempt to prevent transferring power onto the newer generations. I’m not saying this was a conscious strategy, but it certainly was a very interesting phenomenon especially after listening to Eric Weinstein decry the lack of generational tr…
There should be a mandatory retirement age for government. 65 sounds about right.
Absolutely. Airline pilots are forced to retire at 65 and their decisions only affect a few hundred people. Politicians' decisions affect millions.