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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by micromacrofoot »

theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

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Post by MaxDPS »

finite_jest wrote: post #55
Ardon wrote: post #6

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If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

> If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory? Interestingly, your comparison is relevant, but you are responding to an argument which I don't think is being made. The OP is _not_ arguing that vaccines shouldn't be mandatory because they aren't 100% effective. On the contrary, the OP's argument is that since vaccines are relatively effective, one person's c…

Not wearing a seatbelt puts other passengers at risk. If you are t wearing a seatbelt you have a chance of being flung into someone, even if the other person is wearing a seatbelt. This can cause serious injury.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by djdjjrjrjr »

crisdux wrote: post #33
micromacrofoot wrote: post #9

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vaccines reduce transmission and severity, this virus has killed over 5 million people in 2 years

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You can have a high case load in vaccinated countries and still have vaccines that reduce transmissions. Those two ideas don’t conflict.

It just means the vaccines we have don’t reduce transmission by 100% and you have a disease that is highly infectious. Just because a medical intervention doesn’t work 100% of the time doesn’t mean it’s 0% effective. Most interventions (vaccines, drugs, procedures, surgeries) don’t work at 100.0%.

From the data I’ve seen it appears the mRNA vaccines have some effect in reducing transmission while the other vaccines don’t. It is correct to say that the efficacy against transmission has dropped significantly, but that doesn’t mean it’s 0%.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by MiroF »

charlieyu1 wrote: post #86
guidovranken wrote: post #58

In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

There is no science if doubts aren’t allowed.

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Post by NoblePublius »

roganp wrote: post #98
NoblePublius wrote: post #46

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There’s an Antarctic research station of entirely triple vaxxed people that is on complete lockdown now because most of them have Covid. I know 22 people who have gotten positive tests in the last two weeks, all vaccinated. Sports leagues practically 100% vaccinated and dozens and dozens and dozens of players out for Covid. I do not believe for one second any public health data today claiming only 1/5 new cases are v…

If nearly %100 of the nba is vaccinated, then it's more likely that the break thru cases will outnumber the cases on the un-vaccinated, even if the vaccine is very effective at preventing infection. The vaccine does not need to be %100 effective for it to make sense from a public policy perspective.

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Post by cmmeur01 »

vidarh wrote: post #41
kolanos wrote: post #8

> The department said if an employee doesn’t report to work or is suspended or terminated for refusing to comply with a vaccine mandate, the employer should indicate that they quit, took a leave of absence or were dismissed – potentially disqualifying them from collecting EI. Why isn't this fraud?

Why would it be?

Because they were fired for refusing to comply they didn’t quit. If you refused to do a task and were removed by the company for it were you fired or did you quit?

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by crisdux »

jashmatthews wrote: post #71
crisdux wrote: post #33

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It's dramatically effective in reducing spread. Unvaccinated people are driving 85-90% of the spread in Germany. https://rocs.hu-berlin.de/publication/maier-2021-germany/

That is low quality evidence. It's folks doing some mathematical modeling. Mathematical modeling has had a very bad track record during this pandemic. Did you even read the paper you are linking?

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Post by max_ »

b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

Big American corporations have often made their money through subsidies.

Enforcing everyone to take the jabs increases those subsidies (this enforcement is persistent in all countries submissive to USA). That's what makes sense.

However, don't assert altruism because there isn't any. The 'save lives' campaign is just a coating to make things easy for the general public to swallow.

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