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Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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Private, self sovereign money for the internet. I think that’s a use case.

Is it really private when all transactions are recorded forever and publicly visible, and one needs to pass through an on/off-ramp which follows KYC regulations anyway?

Some are, Monero for example.

I’m not here to shill. But defi and private digital money have value.

Increasingly so when you look at government incompetence globally.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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Hey, I have a few serious questions, as I have really been trying to understand the benefits of using blockchain over "classic" stuff. They may sound like I'm questioning things, and that's because I am but with the goal to further my understanding. > Lag of up to 24 hours is ok So you could use any eventually consistent DB? Or a pub-sub type queue that you process at your leisure? > and the relatively small number o…

It will never be as quick to loop through a giant blockchain to generate a dataset and then do something with it as it is to run queries in a highly optimized database that mirrors the end result of looping through that ledger. Blockchains are kind of like git and you need to move through each commit before you can get a snapshot of the current data.

Some blockchains are far more optimized than that. Like Mimblewimble blockchains in which all spent outputs can be permanently eliminated without hampering verifiability of the UTXO set.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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AFAIK Indian telecoms are using blockchain tech to maintain a distributed database of do-not-call numbers. Lag of up to 24 hours is ok and the relatively small number of parties is quite trustworthy. Basically they just use the bc for consensus and mirror it to a rdbms for read queries. That’s the only bc implementation I know that is both in production and is not speculation- or crime-fed.

Blockchain in the sense of proof-of-work mining? A Merkle tree might make sense, signed updates might make sense, but I don't see that mining adds value in that use case.

PoW, besides being the simplest way to reach consensus, also allow for a fair distribution of new coins.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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The profile picture of the author sums up the whole thing. Emotional outburst. I understand blockchains perfectly. Aiding crime and being a pyramid scheme are the only things they have been shown to solve so far.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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She got an exit visa to the USA, yet had to smuggle rubbles? Something doesn’t add up.

At the time all cash found on you would be taken from you at the airport. What is there to add up? It was their way of sticking it to people for "abandoning" the country.

It's extremely funny that the US kind of does the same thing in a roundabout way - if you're a US citizen, you have to pay taxes to the US government, wherever you live. If you want to abandon your US citizenship, you have to pay an exit tax and pay all the other taxes you owe.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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It’s not a question of anecdata, but statistics. I’m sorry for your loss, but you can’t argue there’re many-many people who regret USSR is no more. Just look at the polls.

Here's the thing. I don't care about their opinion. The USSR was evil. Collaborators get no sympathy from me. They could be the majority and I'd still want to overthrow that system of government. It's anti freedom.

You are too emotional to properly debate anything on cryptocurrencies, I'm sorry to say but it feels like you need to grow up, at least emotionally.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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The problem with statist thinking like this is that it never ever takes into account what happens when the state fails. This is a typical way of looking at the world from people who were lucky enough to grow up in a society that sort of works, unfortunately not the norm for a large fraction of the human race. I suspect that - had you lived under German occupation in 39-45 - you would have a very different take on thi…

If your state fails you have much, much bigger problems than your hard currency. So much so, that your hard currency is kind of a rounding error in this situation. If the state loses its monopoly on violence, well, someone can just beat you until you're dead or you give up your private keys. Either one should be fine. I don't optimize my life for some hypothetical dystopian failed state situation in any other aspect…

I've noticed quite big overlap between doom-preppers and cryptocurrencies true-believers. Even here in Sweden, the people I know who got very into crypto fall usually between: speculators trying to make a quick buck (coming from day-trading, etc.); doom-preppers that bought BTC, silver, gold, and other "stores of value" they believe will save them from a societal collapse; gullible people thinking that crypto is a safe way to make a lot of money quickly (so get-rich-quickly schemers).

I've met quite a lot of people invested in crypto around here (seems to be quite a big fad for a few years now) and only one had proper understanding of the technical aspects and believed in the technology itself to solve other problems that aren't just finance scams. One from a pool of 100+ people that I had conversations about crypto in the past 4 years.

Nowadays I simply avoid any chat around crypto in real-life, the signal-to-noise ratio is so damn low that it's impossible to have a good, intellectual conversation around it, it's a rotten subject.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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"It's the human factors surrounding all of it that make it so fucking tiresome thread after thread." But that is also what makes it so interesting. Nobody forces people to use and assign value to Bitcoin. It all happens only because people want it. No government mandates, nothing.

Very similar energy to homeopathy/chiropracty.

I don't think it is very similar at all, but if you think so... Homeopathy is about the placebo effect, which is people's minds affecting their own bodies. Bitcoin is about transactions between people. Most modern civilization is just a construct of the mind, but that doesn't make it like homeopathy.

Re: What Problem Blockchains Solve

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You will probably consider these as "financial schemes", but having worked in finance for many years my impression is there are a number of problems in financial infrastructure that are extremely annoying and costly at the moment which could be much better addressed with blockchain based solutions. Blockchain is not the only way you could solve them, it just has the potential to be much better. One example: Trade rec…

So how does the chain verify ownership of the non-chain assets that are being traded? Or does this not actually validate the transaction directly? Is this just about creating a trustless arbiter for market prices or something along those lines?

The chain doesn't, but that's another whole batch of problems associated with payment reconciliation (which is incredibly complex given netting, collateral posting etc) and you have to get the trade reconciliation problem solved first before you have any hope of getting payments reconciled. The chain here would just act as a record of the definitive facts of the agreement behind the trade making it really easy for both sides to verify whether or not the booking in their systems was correct.

What's being traded in a swap are just cashflows. An example of a swap would be for the next 5 years every month I pay you 4% interest on 1m USD and you pay me 3 month USD Libor + 250bps (interest on 1m USD). The facts that we need to agree are all of those things plus a couple of others that are a bit more technical but are important to make sure everything calculates correctly (various dates, the calendar basis to pro rate the payments correctly etc).

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