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2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by maxdo »

borgel wrote: post #28
richiezc wrote: post #2

Now if they would only deliver mine, 100 days and counting since I ordered it. Price has gone up $5K since I ordered (I'm locked in but can't change anything)... Estimated delivery window: 1/6/22-2/3/22

To chime in on the pity party; ordered a Ford Mustang Mach E at the start of April 2021. Original estimate was 3 months to delivery. Currently the delivery estimate is 10 months, but no one seems to be able to tell if that's real or not.

Mach E manufacturing is a joke. They recall all cars produced until summer because roof fell off. Right now they stop sales because of seat-bells. They have door opening issues all the time(check youtube).

Ford's overall EV production in their only Mexico plant in 2021 will be ~40k. While Tesla added Giga Berlin in Giga Texas in January, that pushes their production capacity to 2 millions/year. 2022 probably will be 1.4-1.5m tough.

Buying EV from Ford nowadays is like buying a car from a small startup. Even Rivian and Lucid will beat them in 1-2 years lol

The problem with form they don't make money on these EV's for them it's an experiment you're paying for. They makes production artificially low since they don't know what to do with EV's. Electric F150 planned volume is also a joke.

Good luck waiting for your car.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by maxdo »

xenihn wrote: post #27

Does anyone know how big of a deal it is to not have radar on newer Tesla 3s and Ys? I don't know which month was the last one to have radar, but it was some time in 2021.

I'm on FSD Beta without radar. It's by far more superior compares to old stack.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by clouddrover »

ajross wrote: post #110
clouddrover wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there are no rules being proven. The Air is just a more efficient car. The Mustang Mach-E has greater range for less money than the Model Y: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSmSiOo-v8s That's more battery for your money.

The Mach-E RWD variants with the 88 kWh battery get about the same range as the Y with 77.8 kWh. That's significantly less efficient, not more.

I didn't say the Mach-E was more efficient. I said you get more battery for your money.

In the end what's going to matter to most people is how far they can drive for the money they spent.

You should also watch the video. Tesla's EPA range figures are inflated. You need to do range tests in the real world (like in the video) to see more practical results.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by taylodl »

gameswithgo wrote: post #90
foobarian wrote: post #86

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I got a Ford Escape 2014 a while ago. I needed something cheap and decent enough. I don't love it, and I don't spend much time on it. It has never had issues in spite of common jokes about Found On the Road Dead which I think may be behind the times. The thing about a large volume manufacturer with a developed dealer network is: when someone backed into it in a grocery store parking lot and destroyed the bumper, I th…

with supply chain issues right now even a Ford may not have parts available at times. Tesla is definitely worse on average about service though still.

I have a friend who has a 2008 Honda that got hit and my wife has a 2003 Lexus that got hit. Both have parts readily available even in this supply chain crunch. Tesla has never been up to snuff when it comes to parts. If you own a Tesla then you better pray you don't need a part because the Tesla service horror stories are practically legendary at this point - and that was before "supply chain issues."

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by taylodl »

siquick wrote: post #89
throw6622 wrote: post #64

The summary of this thread is that the only complaints anyone has is that it is too hard to get a Model Y or parts for a Model Y, both indicative of just how successful this car is.

No it’s not - it’s indicative that we’re in a global supply crisis where sourcing anything is more difficult.

My wife and a friend both have cars in the shop after getting hit. No problem with parts. Tesla is practically legendary at this point for having long waits on parts - and that was before the "global supply crises."

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by throwawaylinux »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #98
throwawaylinux wrote: post #83

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Actually it is what was being said, unless there is some horrible misunderstanding that achieving the highest rating in tests like this indicates that automobiles require no further safety improvements.

wfme expressed my sentiment well. I don't really know, but if, as you are implying, these tests aren't an assurance of safety, than that point stands even more!

They aren't exactly an assurance of safety but such tests should simulate a number of the most common and most dangerous types of crashes and score those. This test comes from the insurance industry so we should expect they are motivated to prioritize according to the risk of damages payouts, but hopefully that should be a decent proxy for safety in any case. So better results should generally mean safer.

I'm not saying the tests are not good. But the value of the results is informing consumers about the safest cars which then encourages industry to compete on safety. If half new cars get the best ratings then that means the test no longer motivates the industry to improve the state of the art in safety and it's just about pressuring the trailing products to catch up.

So for example if your argument is that automobile safety is now at a point where it doesn't make much sense to improve any further then this would be fine. I wondered if that was your reasoning.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by azinman2 »

elif wrote: post #96
azinman2 wrote: post #46

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We test drove the Y and passed on it. We found the visibility out of the back poor, all the mirrors tiny, and the headrest also tiny and my head kept rolling off it. Do you not experience these problems?

The rearview mirror itself has a light filter which works in concert with the light filtered by the back window such that the interior of the car does not show up on the mirror, but everything coming through the window is perfectly clear. So if you were looking at it going "this is too dark" it was probably misunderstanding a feature. In terms of the amount of space you can see, it is sufficient.. but also the 3D ren…

Actually I wasn’t concerned with the darkness, just total visibility.

My understanding is that the 3D rendering is meant to be a subset of what the car sees, and not a safety feature. If that’s the case, I saw it miss all kinds of cross traffic and other cars that should have been in it… and that was just on a short car ride plus the few times I’ve been in other Teslas.

> but also the 3D rendering will give you a much better idea of what's behind you than any mirror.

I don’t buy this. To me it’s a poor substitute to look down at a display rather than a quick glance out in my rear view mirror to learn the distance to the car behind and it’s acceleration curve, who is behind me, etc. I much rather rely on my human eyes to gather all the information I’m looking for than an abstracted subset by an inferior camera with latency, and then having to extrapolate distances.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by xenihn »

elif wrote: post #105
xenihn wrote: post #27

Does anyone know how big of a deal it is to not have radar on newer Tesla 3s and Ys? I don't know which month was the last one to have radar, but it was some time in 2021.

At this point if you have a radar in your m3 or mY it is unpowered. The software is pure vision for the last few months. Model S and X I think still use radar.

Do you have a source for this? I'm only seeing that the radar permanently stops working if you opt in to FSD, with no way to reactivate it. But this only happens if you enable FSD.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by tedk-42 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #58
tedk-42 wrote: post #49

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Not like it's critical to the performance of the car. Just wait and the parts will arrive for you...hardly seems like a fair complaint.

> hardly seems like a fair complaint Is a reliable parts supply chain not a reasonable expectation of a car? I can get whatever part I want whenever I want from a diverse set of manufacturers for my Land Rover.

Unreasonable given the model Y was released only a short time ago and in the midst of global manufacturing issues.

I can't even buy a laundry sink right now as the supplier won't have stock till Feb next year.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by MonaroVXR »

taylodl wrote: post #114
gameswithgo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

with supply chain issues right now even a Ford may not have parts available at times. Tesla is definitely worse on average about service though still.

I have a friend who has a 2008 Honda that got hit and my wife has a 2003 Lexus that got hit. Both have parts readily available even in this supply chain crunch. Tesla has never been up to snuff when it comes to parts. If you own a Tesla then you better pray you don't need a part because the Tesla service horror stories are practically legendary at this point - and that was before "supply chain issues."

Because those parts are adjust produced and used on other cars too, so that means there are parts available in general.
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