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Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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It’s not a crime, since the advertising includes OTA as a feature and it’s not criminal to remove functionality from a previously-sold device.

"It’s not a crime, since the advertising includes OTA as a feature" My car includes free service as a feature, that doesn't mean they can take off the wheels while I sleep and call it 'service'. Similarly I don't think any reasonable person or judge will agree bricking a device is called 'update'.

What about just letting the air out of the tyres?

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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Oh Google... People do not care when it was introduced - people care for support from the time when the last one got sold!

The TP-Link OnHub is still for sale on Newegg right now. I don't see how Google can control the behavior of retailers of 3rd-party hardware.

They can issue a recall.

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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I dunno, I'd have to do a TCO analysis; if they give you 40% off, and you just assume it'll die after X years but be fully supported for that time and then you upgrade to a faster unit with next-gen wifi or whatever, it could still work out to be a good deal. Like... not my cup of tea (TCO is even nicer when the unit's lifespan is indefinite), but it's a plausible tradeoff.

>and then you upgrade to a faster unit with next-gen wifi or whatever Do people actually need next-gen wifi? My impression is that 99.9+% of people would be well served by a mid-range 802.11ac router (eg. AC1750[1]) from years ago, because the most bandwidth intensive thing they do is watch 4k netflix (~25 Mb/s). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac-2013

> Do people actually need next-gen wifi?

Streaming VR to a wireless headset (SteamVR on Oculus Quest) is generally considered to require Wifi 6, though that is admittedly a niche use currently.

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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At the risk of sounding cynical, I will say that anyone buying a router from Google should have known exactly what to expect. That was the reason I sold (for a symbolic price) my Chromecast Audio years ago, the integration was getting increasingly unreliable in Android, and I was afraid that the next step would have been to shut down its servers entirely

Maybe folks in the HN bubble of tech knowledge know this about Google, but the average consumer has no idea just how deep the Google graveyard goes.

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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I probably will. The OnHub has performed substantially better than the other consumer wireless routers I've used, and after 5 years it's due to be replaced anyway. Might as well take the discount.

Make sure you check out some of the other "pro-sumer" lines first. I moved from a flaky consumer router which dropped Wifi all the time to a Ubiquiti which has been rock solid. I'm not recommending Ubiquiti specifically given recent events but just using it as an example of a prosumer brand, even a few years old now and it still gets firmware updates, where as my old consumer router would be lucky to get any updates…

> Make sure you check out some of the other "pro-sumer" lines first

Unless you enjoy networking as a hobby, I would worry with that strategy that there is a sizeable risk of wasting your time with unreliable devices, with ongoing maintenance work, or having to rework your network in a few years.

My current solution is to buy Unifi UAP-AC-LR (~120USD) and configure it as an access point using the “Unifi Network” app from my phone, and hopefully never touch it again. I have done this at friends, and fixed their WiFi woes, without requiring much of my time (occasional complaints that the WiFi isn’t working, but not due to the device*, just ISP or router issues). Easy to plug the AP into a new router if you change ISP or move houses.

* Well, one device just stopped working with a hardware fault: I think due to being installed in a very hot area. I haven’t had software issues or flakiness. Flakiness is my previous experience of prosumer devices and what I most want to avoid.

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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Abstractly bogus, but on a rational analysis my TP-Link OnHub has already lasted wayyyyyyy longer than any other access point I've ever owned. Its predecessor, an ASUS RT-N66U, lasted barely two years.

I'm not sure that it says anything good about Google that they built a solid piece of hardware only to purposely brick it for users after it worked well for too long.

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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I probably will. The OnHub has performed substantially better than the other consumer wireless routers I've used, and after 5 years it's due to be replaced anyway. Might as well take the discount.

I would suggest taking a look at synology. The 2600ac is going on 6 years old and about to get the latest feature release (1.3) with no immediate plans to eol it. And unlike Google they have a long history of LTS.

How do you find the RF performance? For me the OnHub was vastly better than other home wifi gear I've used, but would consider more trustworthy replacements if they have comparable performance...

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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I probably will. The OnHub has performed substantially better than the other consumer wireless routers I've used, and after 5 years it's due to be replaced anyway. Might as well take the discount.

Is five years enough? For you maybe. I think it is nothing like enough. My guitar amplifier is about twenty years old. My house is thirty and will probably make it to 300 (climate catastrophes wiling) I do not buy Google products, if I did I would stop.

Well, electric guitars have been around for over 80 years and houses even longer.

This whole wireless internet thing is pretty recent and is getting increasingly better every year.

Re: Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022

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And that is why the very first thing every new WiFi router in my household gets is a fresh installation of OpenWRT in place of whatever vendor software it has. And I look at compatibility matrix before buying it. This strategy has worked very well. I upgrade on my terms.

Ditto; I only buy wireless hardware that can run openwrt on the day that I buy it. I may not flash it on that day, but I like to know that I can. My router is an x86 machine running opnsense.

What machine do you recommend? I've thought about having a custom router but I have wondered both if it is worth it and what machine I should use.
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