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Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by convolvatron »

jasone wrote: post #49
CarVac wrote: post #20

I cannot fathom why the Kinesis keyboards don't have thumb shift by default. At least it's customizable.

Thumb shift keys are definitely an (incremental) improvement over the traditional placement, but they require a yet bigger commitment to retraining from the standard keyboard layout. I've been using Kinesis keyboards for 25 years, and finally this year committed to moving the shifts to the thumbs. This was worthwhile for me, but I hesitate to recommend the, ahem, shift to others.

why not both? despite having it mapped there for 20+ years I still don't use the thumb-shift. but for some chords its really a lot nicer.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by gorbachev »

jagger27 wrote: post #56
ianai wrote: post #28

What are the odds the pre-orders will be robbed by bots in a few seconds?

That seems unlikely, and it's not really how Drop usually works. They collect pre-order payments before manufacturing. This is probably an unlimited group buy. Pre-oders on Drop.com usually stay open for a month or longer.

There are only 360 units on sale, total.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by tbenst »

Love my Advantage2, and only complaint is the USB cable has insufficient strain relief, and I've already replaced two cables, almost once a year. So bluetooth is a welcome sight.

Am I the only one that prefers the monolith body? I typically rest my keyboard on my knees when typing, which is difficult for a split layout

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by regus »

Wow I’m excited to try this! I use a kinesis split keyboard. I like it but it is a bit bulky and has a bunch of keys I never use. I love that it is split and tented, both of these aspects helped with my shoulder and arm pain.

I tried to use the advantage 2 but because it was neither split nor tented it hurt my shoulder and arm so much that I couldn’t use.

This seems like the best of both worlds.

I was considering building a corne keyboard but now I can try this instead.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by gorbachev »

db65edfc7996 wrote: post #30

Sadly, no dedicated F-row. I would even settle for a subset of keys that aligned with the columns. I do not consider layers an adequate replacement. Happy to see they are moving away from their own software configuration. Not a fan of the software interface on the Freestyle Pro. More than once I have gotten myself into a loop where I am unsure which function mode is activated and how to switch back to what I want. I…

I use 65% keyboards almost exclusively these days. No numpad, pgdn/up/home/end cluster or function key row.

Function keys are on the number row with a Fn modifier (Fn+1 for F1).

You get used to it in about half an hour. It becomes second nature in less than a week.

It makes the keyboard much more compact, which is definitely a plus. Less hand movement, less deskspace consumed, lighter.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by alpaca128 »

Ciantic wrote: post #105

I have Ergodox Ez, it looks like this one is slightly updated version. Pinky row is lowered (which I think is an advantage, I have wondered for a long time why the pinky row is too high in EZ.). It has Bluetooth which I would prefer. It has some ZMK firmware which I haven't studied, I have only used QMK, otherwise looks good.

The pinky columns could be lowered a lot more. After a bit of testing I moved them a full row height down on my keyboard as that seems to be the sweet spot for me. It's weird for a minute or two but feels natural quickly.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by FullyFunctional »

spiderice wrote: post #45
jerlam wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Kinesis "contoured" design with thumb clusters is almost 30 years old, and itself was a clone of the Maltron design - so I think it's accurate to describe the Ergodox as a clone of the Kinesis.

> so I think it's accurate to describe the Ergodox as a clone of the Kinesis. Seems to me like the Ergo almost exactly cloned the thumb cluster, and the Kinesis 360 almost exactly cloned the Ergo split design. They are clearly both drawing inspiration from each other, and there isn't one "clone"

Making a split version is kind of an obvious option and Ergodox was _far_ from the first fully split keyboard. Two people can both have the same idea (which is why patents are patently unfair).

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by eggy »

Sholmesy wrote: post #42
tinbucket wrote: post #14

I wonder why they’re using Gateron switches rather than Cherry ones? Is it just about cutting costs, or is there a solid technical reason for using clones rather than the originals?

Gateron are in no way inferior to Cherry. They struggle with the knock-off branding but have made some pretty popular switches in the past 5 years.

I love Gateron Oranges. I've had both Cherry Browns and the Gateron Browns, and I actually prefer the Gaterons. I couldn't give you a quantitative answer, but I swapped them into the same hot-swappable keyboard and I liked the Gaterons. I found the Orange Gaterons, and I am sticking with them.
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