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Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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By their actions, not so much: - commingling of inventory means you're not necessarily getting the stuff from the merchant you're ostensibly buying from - which doesn't really matter anyway because merchant reviews are hard to find (couldn't find them at all on mobile) - being able to change the product being sold while keeping the rating and review history. WAT

Any company that is sufficiently large can (and should) be scrutinized, but at Amazon scale, arguments can easily be cherry picked to make whatever outcome you decided to be the truth look like the truth. I could for example bring forth the times some merchant attempted to talk me out of filing a complaint, because, apparently those have very real implications very quickly, with fines and restrictions being imposed b…

I think the things I raised are problems independent of scale. Amazon deemphasizes the merchant and wants to own the shopper relationship, then turned around and tried to claim that they're not liable for the goods they sell.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/whos-liable-for-d...

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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> Machine learning algorithms are getting sophisticated enough to figure out whether a batch of 100 reviews is mostly talking about can openers or garlic. This barely needs ML. Amazon knows, a priori , what product the reviews were for. The fact that garlic reviews can be repurposed for can openers, regardless of their actual text, is the problem. The real underlying problem is wrong incentives. Amazon makes money wh…

the problem is also that sellers can claim a product is their own and take over the listing when it's not

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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Yeah, it's a pity. It use to be a no-brainer shopping at Amazon. But now, I waste more time sifting through a bunch of cheaply made home goods that I'm just more inclined to look for sturdy, well-made products elsewhere. Also, it seems like they mix the inventory from different vendors, so it ends up being a crap shoot whether you get the original, or a knock-off, and the reviews reflect that.

>Also, it seems like they mix the inventory from different vendors, so it ends up being a crap shoot whether you get the original, or a knock-off, and the reviews reflect that. I've noticed this so many times. I've stopped buying any sort of health products like supplements or even electric toothbrush heads from Amazon. It scares me seeing reviews about fake products in stuff like that

Yeah, recently I wanted a second charger for my thinkpad. I ended up just buying it on lenovo.com, because I had 0 faith in actually getting a real product from amazon, especially in that category

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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I have been fighting with Amazon on a review for a product I bought and returned for weeks now. The manufacture is trying to bribe me to remove my review (offering me multiple times what I paid for it at this point). I have been trying to update my review to reflect that but it keeps being denied but I am not being told why. It is very frustrating that these companies are able to deceive customers through reviews.

Anything related to the seller is not accepted as part of the product review (which makes some sense in most cases, since one product can be offered by multiple sellers).

in cases of review fraud that rule doesn't make sense though IMO, since no matter who's selling it, it's directly related to the rating of the article presented

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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It feels like Amazon is at a place where eBay was about, what, a decade ago? At least from a shopper point of view. In other words it feels like you're overwhelmed by choice but much of that choice makes you feel uneasy.

It seems to be full of dodgy sellers using questionable practices like those described in the post, the feedback (review) system is utterly broken, getting in touch with a real person is near impossible, sellers are using bots to game prices and the search system.

And (AFAIA) Amazon still doesn't use 3d Secure / Verified by Visa? Perhaps this is a sweetheart deal from the card schemes, given they're so big, or do the issuers not want to take the liability shift? There's something not quite right here.

Anyway, I don't know if eBay actually solved any of the problems or if most of the dodgy sellers just moved to Amazon.

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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It feels like Amazon is at a place where eBay was about, what, a decade ago? At least from a shopper point of view. In other words it feels like you're overwhelmed by choice but much of that choice makes you feel uneasy. It seems to be full of dodgy sellers using questionable practices like those described in the post, the feedback (review) system is utterly broken, getting in touch with a real person is near impossi…

The products on eBay are the same as on Amazon now. All Chinese sellers or drop shippers.

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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I don't understand what Amazon thinks it's doing with its legions of data scientists, analysts, product managers and engineers that they consider so much more important than solving this problem, which will destroy their reputation long-term and create space for a competitor. At this rate, Amazon will be on its way to becoming Yelp -- untrusted, irrelevant, ultimately deserted.

And they enable the competition - Aliexpress has the exact same stuff as Amazon now, but at cheaper prices. And they are working very much on the long shipping times with warehouses around the world. Sure, the service and support is far removed from Amazon, but then prices for the same crap are often 50% less. Also to me it seems they are much harder on cheating sellers.

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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I don't understand what Amazon thinks it's doing with its legions of data scientists, analysts, product managers and engineers that they consider so much more important than solving this problem, which will destroy their reputation long-term and create space for a competitor. At this rate, Amazon will be on its way to becoming Yelp -- untrusted, irrelevant, ultimately deserted.

And they enable the competition - Aliexpress has the exact same stuff as Amazon now, but at cheaper prices. And they are working very much on the long shipping times with warehouses around the world. Sure, the service and support is far removed from Amazon, but then prices for the same crap are often 50% less. Also to me it seems they are much harder on cheating sellers.

And Aliexpress also just refund you money if target delivery time of NN days run out. And then you get your afforable chinese crap for free with no requirement to ship it back to Aliexpress.

Re: Amazon still isn't doing enough to stop bait-and-switch reviews

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I wish I could say I stopped buying things off Amazon for ethical reasons, but the truth is, I stopped buying because if you look closely at the reviews, you realize that almost everything for sale there is now a scam or a knock-off. This was a slow creep for awhile, but now the problem has grown exponentially. Amazon is what Canal Street was in the 90s - somewhere to buy fakes, stolen goods, and electronics that mig…

10 to 5 years ago a bought a lot from Amazon, I had packages in flight most of the time. Today it is close to nil.

It has been replaced by specialized domestic shops: electronics, t-shirts, pants, lamps, carpets, bike parts, health items, food, etc. Many shops are small and located "in the sticks".

5 years ago I thought Amazon would kill them. Today it's Amazon that's gone from my shopping.

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