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Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by notinty »

innocenat wrote: post #103
Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #88

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> Carlsen's defense against Caruana in 2018 featured 12 draws before moving into tiebreakers I really hope they are able to figure out some not-too-unnatural way to reduce the likelihood of draws. One easy possibility I saw suggested a number of times would be to remove the increment. Give additional time at certain move thresholds like they do now, but then at some point, that's it. No more time. Time pressure shoul…

Strongly disagree. The main series of WCC should have players playing at the highest level, so there should not be too much time pressure. If it's all draw, that means players are equal at that level, so the tie-breaker match has more time pressure.

Rapid chess is almost a different game, shown by how handily Carlsen beat Caruana in the tie breakers.

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Post by ajtulloch »

dreamer7 wrote: post #75
tephra wrote: post #48

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Svidler and Miro with the occasional kramnik and karjakin was great. I do miss the svidler gustie duo but we're not likely to get that while Jan is a second for Magnus.

Excuse my ignorance. Is Jan really that good of a player to be Magnus' second? Somehow his laidback style commentary made me feel he was not too serious with preparation

If you see his job to be at the cutting edge of Ruy/Marshall/anti-Marshall the results of games 1-6 suggest he’s done a phenomenal job.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by WJW »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #55
wraptile wrote: post #39

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I'd completely disagree with you here. Chess is only there because of history but it checks none of successful esport checkmarks. One might even argue that it has been a "solved" game for decades which is the opposite of what you want for a successful esports game. One of the most important esport features is updates be it meta changes or new patches. That's why our current esport games are so huge even though they a…

Chess is "solved by computers" today, as in they will outplay the best humans, but that's in part because chess provides you with perfect information about the enemy's position at all time. Most (all?) esport games use fog-of-war (RTS) or level design (FPS) or some other mechanism that hides the enemy from you. Without that, esports games have also been "solved by computers" for decades. There is of course a chess va…

If we take it outside the esports realm, you could say the vast majority of sports has been "solved" since cars are trivially faster than humans, trebuchets are way better for throwing things over long distances, hydraulic cylinders beat anyone at lifting heavy stuff, etc. Nobody is advocating to stop holding athletics events because machines can do the specific task better, so why should we stop holding chess events for humans because a computer can do it better?

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by simion314 »

maxiepoo wrote: post #110
simion314 wrote: post #93

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>GOAT isn't obscure or domain specific and is a very common acronym used online for almost anything competitive and doesn't need any more explanation. I learned this only a month ago, I am wondering if this is a new thing? I am not from US so maybe this term is used a lot on TV/radio/speech but not used as much in writing(blogs,news not sure about social media/memes) so it could explain why I never known about this u…

I think it's been popularized by the NBA fandom and the incessant Lebron James vs Michael Jordan debates.

So I only had 1 contact with this and it was indeed about sport , something like "football player X is the GOAT" and I had to have this explained to me. so it might be a sports only term, since I am not watching or reading sports then it makes sense I do not see it used.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by thom »

tux1968 wrote: post #107
thom wrote: post #85

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Anish did talk over Judit a lot, but quite often that was justified. At the moment of the c5 blunder, for example, they were analysing that exact move because Judit had suggested it, and Anish was explaining how it was just a whole piece.

Judit had a huge amount of patience and didn't seem frustrated by Anish at all, through any of the coverage. And even though Judit did initially play the c5 blunder, she was really great and insightful through the entire match, many times seeing things that Anish missed. Really they made a great duo and added to the fun and enjoyment of a difficult and long match.

Yeah, they did work as a pairing, and I regularly switched over from the Levitov Chess World stream (admittedly more often to see Magnus reaction shots though).

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by Someone »

tzs wrote: post #108
throwaway81523 wrote: post #3

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There was Fischer-Spassky, 12.5 to 8.5 in 1972, where one of Spassky's 8.5 points came from Fischer forfeiting a game by not showing up.

With Fischer his lopsided path to the championship should also be considered. In the 1970 Interzonal to pick 6 players to go to the Candidates Tournament (along with Korchnoi and Petrosian), Fischer won with 15 W, 1 L, 7 D giving 18.5 points. The next 5 were 3 tied at 15 and 2 tied at 14. You can change every one of Fischer's draws to a loss in that tournament and he'd still have tied for first. Then in the Candidate…

> You can change every one of Fischer's draws to a loss in that tournament and he'd still have tied for first.

Nitpick: that’s incorrect. Reading https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/7072$iix.htm, he drew with Hübner, so if you change that to a loss, Hübner would get half a point more, moving to 15½.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by scott_w »

ekabod wrote: post #54
1123581321 wrote: post #40

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How else would you explain the moves well below his level that objectively cost him? He is a great player but does not have Magnus’ mental and emotional consistency. Not everyone advances to the top in chess with the same combination of inner traits. This is also seen in other competitions where humans must perform at their absolute best in all aspects to reliably win.

Saying Nepo has less mental endurance than Carlsen is not the same as saying he doesn't have any as this poster wrote.

That’s incorrect. The original poster said Nepo lacks the mental endurance required to be world champion, not that he lacks it altogether.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by socialdemocrat »

matsemann wrote: post #10

It's cool how big chess has become in Norway. Since Carlsen's first WC match, there's been live coverage on TV, streams from big online newspaper etc. And internationally it has also looked good the last few times. This year there were lots og different online streams of different styles, many gaining a huge view count. And somehow, watching the rapid WC at the end of December has become sorta a Christmas tradition f…

Yeah, I remember how people at work all began building their own chess engines. It was nuts. I wonder how much this interest will affect Norwegian ability to bring up new chess talent or if Magnus will remain some kind of Norwegian chess anomaly.

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Post by mrslave »

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #88
v64 wrote: post #2

This match was notable for a number of reasons: 1) Game 6 lasted 136 moves, making it the longest game in world championship history, surpassing the 124 move game 5 of Korchnoi-Karpov in 1978. 2) Carlsen's victory in game 6 was also the first decisive match game (excluding tiebreakers) since game 10 of Carlsen's defense against Karjakin in 2016. Carlsen's defense against Caruana in 2018 featured 12 draws before movin…

> Carlsen's defense against Caruana in 2018 featured 12 draws before moving into tiebreakers I really hope they are able to figure out some not-too-unnatural way to reduce the likelihood of draws. One easy possibility I saw suggested a number of times would be to remove the increment. Give additional time at certain move thresholds like they do now, but then at some point, that's it. No more time. Time pressure shoul…

Perhaps white can move twice before black is allowed to make his first move?

Edit: Embarrassingly I had a good laugh at my own joke after writing this.

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