Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11 • Hacker News Board

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by Osiris » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

I have an app that has run on every version of Windows from 2000 through Windows 10. It now doesn't work in Windows 11 because they didn't reimplement the IDeskBand interface for the taskbar that my app uses to show remaining battery time.

My app is even part of their compatibility test suite (they asked me for permission and a license).

I understand the need to move forward and that BW compatibility can be hinder that, but it's really frustrating for me to 1) respond to thousands of people asking why it doesn't work after they upgrade, and 2) lose income because there's nothing I can do to make it work the same in Windows 11.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by ch_123 » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

Nitpick: Unix line endings and UTF-8 have been supported in Notepad for the last few years.

See: https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2018/12/10/announc... and https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/extended-eol-in-n...

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

pomian wrote: post #80

dhruvdh wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a chance that your use case is basic and hasn’t changed in 20 years, but I think there is a higher chance of it’s a case of general hatred for Microsoft. > only bloat to keep up with the need to create a need for faster processors. Do people not see what their feelings towards Microsoft turns them into?

Why hate? I don't hate, Microsoft or Office, or anything like that. Those are choices, things. You can't hate things. I agree with this OP that office had all the functionality almost everyone needed twenty years ago. Most of the changes to office have been cosmetic and frustrating to established users. Perhaps their could have been add ons - like in browsers, for more functionality that certain users need, without m…

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by fartcannon » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:09 PM UTC

scoopertrooper wrote: post #69

fartcannon wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not you're paid PR, the act of preemptively complaining about complainers is PR.

As previously noted, 80% of the comments were negative when I posted it. I was reacting to the 'I hate change brigade' that got in early. I mean, I don't even use Windows or any Microsoft devices. MacOS is vastly superior to Windows and Bill Gates sexually harassed women in the 90s (not that it factored into my operating system choice). Real PR machine over here.

No, you're right, I shouldn't have suggested that. My apologies.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by finger » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #51

I use Notepad almost daily to "strip" formatting before pasting content. I hope they don't ever change that ability.

Ctrl+Shift+V does this as well in many programs.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by inetknght » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

Osiris wrote: post #111

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

I have an app that has run on every version of Windows from 2000 through Windows 10. It now doesn't work in Windows 11 because they didn't reimplement the IDeskBand interface for the taskbar that my app uses to show remaining battery time. My app is even part of their compatibility test suite (they asked me for permission and a license). I understand the need to move forward and that BW compatibility can be hinder th…

Breaking backwards compatibility is one thing.

Removing functionality is a bigger problem.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by josefresco » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

finger wrote: post #115

josefresco wrote: post #51

I use Notepad almost daily to "strip" formatting before pasting content. I hope they don't ever change that ability.

Ctrl+Shift+V does this as well in many programs.

Thanks! I'll try it out.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by seritools » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it:

- It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course)

- THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad

- the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it looks choppy

- the animation has to "catch up" when grabbing the scroll bar handle and moving it quickly

- 215k lines loaded, moving the window itself is choppy now? HOW

- another first party piece of software that ignores the "no animations" setting in windows

- I've grabbed a notepad.exe from Windows XP SP3 in comparison, no problems there, scrolling and editing is instant. Both have SIGNIFICANT lag in the new one.

- Don't even try to resize the window with a big file open (EDIT: Note that I haven't even complained about new features or anything, just the previous, basic features still working correctly.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by recursive » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77

ng-user wrote: post #19

It's crazy to me that Windows 11 has already been released and yet they're still adding what should be core functionality to the OS as an after thought. If they are so set on redesigning Notepad and/or all system apps to use the new design style, why would those not be prioritized and included in the original release from day 1?

Notepad is core OS functionality? I think not.

I think so. How else are you supposed to edit a config file?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jenoer » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

enlyth wrote: post #64

miles wrote: post #48

> We know how important Notepad is to so many of your daily workflows… Perhaps the single funniest line ever penned by Microsoft. Cannot imagine any “Windows Insiders in the Dev Channel” who use, let alone rely on, Notepad for any serious work. EDIT: I stand corrected - mea culpa!

Most devs I've met use it, it's an excellent tool for getting rid of formatting or just having an instant window open where you can temporarily store some plaintext.

Let me blow your mind: you can use CTRL+SHIFT+V to paste text without formatting.