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OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment
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Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment
#112Articles like this take the experience of one, and all the variabilities within that experience and try to apply it to everyone. I have Lion on all machines. I beta tested it, and the service packs.
It's fine. It's progressive and additive not subtractive on the user experience side (i.e., I never use Launchpad).
A Vista moment?
Try to find Microsoft in any fashion doing anything as ambitious as iCloud is right now. In fact, try to find a company right now doing anything as ambitious and tightly coordinated as Lion/iCloud/iOS5. The engineering going into it is staggering in scope.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an interesting perspective. Come to think of it, Leopard did frustrate me a lot. I think I just got really fat and happy on Snow Leopard, and now that rug has been ripped away from me.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that you rolled that rug up and threw it away to make space for the new and shiny rug. Too bad the new rug still has some moths.
I do not like this metaphor.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions? You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)? You really haven't had problems or questions with the new fullscreen behavior? You think Launchpad is not pointless? You've _never_ had action misses on drag-and-drop to t…
I used spaces before and prefer mission control. I also have an external monitor so I am not sure what he is talking about it not supporting a second screen.
Pre-Lion, the spaces interaction with second screens was outright bad. It was wrong, it did not work well, it simply wasn't even considered in the design.
Now, each set of spaces is segregated by monitor, instead of every set being paired. If you're actually trying to manage lots of simultaneous tasks on multiple monitors, this state of affairs is radically better (and is the default for many Linux window managers, which have long ago addressed and solved multi-monitor problems because their user constituency is full of people in that space). In this regard, Lion is much better than Snow Leopard.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to install the new version of XCode. That should pull in all of the relevant development tools. They're not a part of the standard OSX install.
That's fair enough, and thanks for the tip. I think my larger point is that I don't like that they actively removed something that was working fine for me. If it was a fresh install I'd be fine with it, but upgrading a previous install shouldn't be equivalent to "uninstalling stuff randomly" to me.
It does that every OS upgrade. I think the reasoning is that that particular developer toolchain was tied to that OS. Now that you're using a new OS, you shouldn't use the old toolchain. This particularly mattered in the 10.5 to 10.6 upgrade, because they extended gcc to support "blocks," which were tied into the Grand Central Dispatch implementation in the kernel.
It would be nice if they automatically detected, "Oh, you have XCode installed, so you would probably like the new version, too."
Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment
#116I upgraded my Macbook from Snow Leopard to Lion, then gave it to the girlfriend. She'd never used a Mac before. She didn't even notice that the scrolling was the opposite way round to other devices. Not until I pointed it out to her after she'd been using it for a while. I now use a Lenovo Thinkpad T420 with Ubuntu instead. It's come a hell of a long way over the past few years.
I'm having the same experience. I got a 2011 Air (my first Mac) and Lion seems pretty decent. Scrolling feels natural, and everything seems to work as it should. My only complaints are the keyboard (as a programmer I really miss home/end/page up/page down), and that I can't reopen closed tabs in Safari.
The lack of a right mouse button is my biggest Mac pet peeve (yes, I know you can gesture on, but I find I often screw up the gesture).
Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment
#117He had my attention until he brought up Front Row.
Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
why else would these blatant multi-monitor issues exist if not to intentionally hurt me? I'm using Lion with multiple monitors, too, and have been annoyed by this. But the company that sells https://www.apple.com/displays/ definitely didn't do this to intentionally hurt users with multiple monitors. My assumption is that, because of the dramatic changes to the desktop workflow in Lion, they needed to cut some feature…
I think some of the issues border on intentional. A particularly infuriating example is how DVD Player really did go BACKWARDS. There used to be an option in DVD Player's preferences for whether to black out the other screen when in fullscreen or to leave it usable. DVD Player was perfect before (I used to watch a movie on one monitor and code on the other). They actually went in and removed this. DVD Player now has…
I doubt it was intentional. DVD Player went from using their own custom full-screen code to the new system standard full-screen mode (as evidenced by the full-screen button in the title bar). This probably let them delete hundreds of lines of code; it also causes the problems you mentioned.
Be patient; I'm sure they'll fix it soon.
Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried it for a bit, then happily re-imaged back to Snow Leopard. There's just too much goofy laptop oriented crap that I don't want. I was laughing out loud reading that article. And grimacing, as someone who works late in a quiet house, at the loss of fine volume adjustment from the keyboard. I will have to test software on lion, but I'll just dedicate a partition and drop into it when necessary. The worst thing f…
Lion is not for you. Snowpard will continue to work without being a liability for probably the next 12 months, at least. Giving up on Lion isn't a moral failing. Give the pioneers some time to absorb the arrows. By next March, I'm betting that (suitably tuned) Lion won't be anywhere nearly as annoying as it is today.
Yeah, I'm so happy with Snow Leopard, that this is just not a big deal to me, and let's face it, unless it's mind-blowingly good, like an XP or a Tiger or Leopard, a set of big changes is bound to make a chunk of people unhappy.
My Mac Mini on Tiger is still seeing updates for iTunes, so Apple seem to be supporting older stuff at least partially.
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#120I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.
I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions? You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)? You really haven't had problems or questions with the new fullscreen behavior? You think Launchpad is not pointless? You've _never_ had action misses on drag-and-drop to t…
Man, this beggars belief.
I've never had a kernel panic, ever, except when playing with bad kexts, and when everyone was all gung-ho getting XP running on the first Intel Macs.