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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by dylan604 »

saurik wrote: post #104
webdoodle wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see torrent hosting become a thing. I don't like to leave my computer\network connected to the internet all the time, but would like to make video/audio I've produced available. A hosting provider that lets me upload my content and host it as a torrent would solve many of the problems we currently face with private gatekeepers deciding what can and can't be hosted, displayed, voted on, commented on etc.

The generalization of the premise of Bittorrent to easy file hosting is IPFS, and there in fact are IPFS hosting providers (and decentralized protocols for such, including Filecoin).

When the best example of something is a coin, then I'm not really impressed as a file store/share platform.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by wolpoli »

topynate wrote: post #24

Just in case someone in a position to do something about it is reading this, there's a graceful way out for Youtube. Leave dislike counts publicly available via the API. That way people who use the ratio to evaluate videos (very useful for reviews) can install a browser extension, but dislike mobbing will be minimized, seeing as most casual users will not bother installing such extensions.

The Google Chrome team uses a similar strategy to deal with backlashes: They leave a feature they want to removed behind a feature flag to keep the outspoken users happy. A few releases later, they remove the flag, when the casual users have moved on and there aren't enough outspoken users to cause any kind of mobbing.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by 14 »

1_player wrote: post #77
Hamcha wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not related to the dislike feature in particular, but Youtube is definitely losing the next generation of creators. Plenty of people are using TikTok as their main platform nowadays, as it has bigger reach for their markets.

TikTok is targeting a different type of content, there is no competition with YouTube as we know it, which is videos longer than 10 minutes.

When the timing is right tic toc could pivot to longer videos.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by r00fus »

hirundo wrote: post #81

Hacker News has a similar problem with comments: net_votes = up_votes - down_votes You need at least two of the above variables to get an idea of both the direction and magnitude of the voting. Hacker News provides only one: net_votes. YouTube used to provide up_votes and down_votes, effectively providing all three. Now YouTube has reduced its information to up_votes, so they're now down to one variable in the equati…

It's very interesting to ask what's gained by seeing downvotes in addition to upvotes, and whether that differs based on whether the content is video or commentary.

HN comments can still be downvoted (if you have enough karma) so arguably you can still get signal quality from the sum of votes.

Especially since in most cases, you can simply comment instead of downvote.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ollien »

TT-392 wrote: post #74

The youtube automatically deleting comments thing is strange, it happens to me quite often for no clear reason. I once left a commend on a veritasium vid where I got something wrong. Replies kept coming about what I got wrong. But anytime I edited the comment, or leaving a reply myself. The exact thing happened to my edits or replies as happened in the video. It is not like I can't leave comments anywhere like the gu…

Google does this as a whole, IME. A body shop did a really shoddy repair and when I went to check my review later, it was gone. I don't understand why; it shows when I'm logged into the original Google account, but not otherwise.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by dathinab »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

I stopped using YT recommendations a while ago, not I only go back to the same channels and if any new channel gets added it's not from a YT source.

Stupid "I don't want to think" content got replaced by twitch, even through many twitch streams contain hardly any interesting "content" they are sadly stile miles better then most/close to all "dump" YT content (because "dump" YT content has gotten pretty bad).

And high quality YT content often gets demonetized and seldomly recommended, because its either not advertisement friendly enough or doesn't cover a wide enough audience spectrum.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by dylan604 »

nitrogen wrote: post #85
1_player wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? A lot of them are cross-posting to Odysee, and some are also on Nebula.

2 platforms I have never heard of before this post. It's like saying Mastadon is a replacement for _______. Yeah, no it/they are not replacing. Those sites are like the catch can for those willing to step away from THE place. Until those creators actually leave YT to 100% commit to other places by no longer posting to YT, then the masses are not leaving YT (or FB/Twit/etc).

Edit: Do any of these content creators posting to other non-YT sites mention the availability of these sites in their YT videos? If not, then they are not really convinced of their staying power themselves.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

Gigachad wrote: post #86
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #10

It's stunning how often things like this get wildly upvoted. The video shows nothing at all about "YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count"; the guy shows a comment of his that has nothing to do with the dislike count getting deleted, although he asserts without evidence that this is related to a different comment he made (which was not deleted) regarding the dislike count. A lot of…

Tech companies get away with randomly and invisibly doing things to people which no one can verify or understand why. Yes of course we can't know why exactly this happened, but it's still youtube's fault for deleting all of these comments without explaining why.

The unfortunate reality, as anyone who's had to moderate online spaces can confirm, is that unexplained shadowbans are a necessary tool. Turn on showdead on HN some time, and you'll see some great examples of smart, coherent people who are incredibly dedicated to ruining the quality of discourse and couldn't be stopped by lesser measures. I was a big opponent of shadowbanning too until I spent some time moderating a subreddit.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

This path is kinda the obvious path to go down if you have a large public site 2021. It is what the data says. Even for small sites with 1M users this is obvious. HN would benefit a lot from going down the same path too to avoid premiering all the zealots.

Edit: Landed well as expected. Maybe HN could provide a service where users could battle about facts in different areas. So all the useless fatty Americans could show their true credentials.

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