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Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2021 it would be "decentralized HTML".

HTML NFT's

HTML based NFTs are a thing. You can reference arbitrary HTML & JS from the 'animation_url' in the NFT's metadata and produce interactive NFTs.

ArcadeNFT is an example of a project that utilizes this: https://opensea.io/assets/0xa0c38108bbb0f5f2fb46a2019d7314cc...

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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post #16

My memory is hazy, I was reading and thinking surely some of these ( DHTML ) are crossing into early 00s? And then I read > In other words, which editor (FrontPage ‘98, obviously), which web server (GeoCities, you moron), Oh yes. FrontPage 98! > I miss the good ol’ days. " Today we have abstractions on top of abstractions on top of JavaScript ", of all things. Shit doesn’t even know how to calculate math correctly. I…

My team was ride or die with (pre-Macromedia) HomeSite!

Oh God and MS Visual Source Safe.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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He forgot to mention hiding sensitive information behind a JS-powered script that had the password saved in the clear in the script on the page, and then disabling right-click events so you couldn't inspect the source of the page to find the super secret password...

Hint: it was totally unsafe then, it still is now.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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1x1 pixel GIFs are still in use on places like Amazon where the 1x1 GIF image is overlayed on top of another (larger) image. It's to stop people right-clicking and saving the larger image to their device (because copyright). Anyways I can just press F12 and 'steal' the image from devtools, so it's not hard to overcome.

I recently came across an image I wasn't able to download using dev tools and was shocked. I wish I had had the time to figure it out.

If it's visible, it's capturable, it's simply a matter of how obfuscated it is and how much effort you want to spend capturing it. In highly dynamic web apps these days, it could be simple as a right click or as complex as figuring out their rendering system, source data stream, generated key handshake to verify it's the script accessing the data and not a person, and so on. I see this sort of trash a lot more than I care to.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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post #41

Wow. That took me back. All those things, every day. And table layouts of course. And let's not forget slicing images, and slapping those into tables too. If I remember rightly, Photoshop had an "export to slices" thing built in. Amazing. Loved it. And of course one of the biggest issues with today's web: you can't just view source and copy paste. You're in the land of chasing back up CSS files, js libraries, or find…

> finding yourself unable to steal an image

There's browser extensions that will convert a whole page as it is loaded in the browser to an image file. For ever-scrolling pages you have to manually stop it.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at homeshark.com (later rebranded iown.com) in the 90's, and we absolutely did the spacer gif trick to size our tables.

Oh yeah, i think every one did - but they certainly werent used in "semantically correct containers".

Even HN, this very website, still uses spacer gifs. Sadly.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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My first software dev job was in the 90's writing PHP for a mom and pop ISP that was trying to get into app development. It was originally supposed to be Perl, the job interview was something like:

Me: demos CRUD app for keeping track of my record collection, hosted on a free site

Owner: You wrote this?

Me: Yeah.

Owner: This is in Perl?

Me: Yeah.

So I got hired. The day I got there, he told me they were going to use PHP instead of Perl. Sure, cool, whatever. He told me that I had to start being productive in the first couple weeks or he would have to let me go, couldn't afford to keep people that weren't working out. I was down with that. He had some HTML pages that he had created in a WYSIWYG editor, I think it was Dreamweaver, and I was going to add some PHP scripting to those pages.

How hard could that be?

So I get to work and open these HTML files and I don't even remember exactly, I think like the login page HTML was 20 pages of code long, maybe I'm exaggerating, I've blocked most of it out of my memory but I seem to remember nested tables inside of nested tables inside of nested tables with spacer GIFs and  s all over the place and I remember looking at it and thinking: What. The. Actual. Fuck.

But I did it! I managed to get the guy to take a look at what the editor he was using actually created and get him to simplify some things, I fixed a few bugs and was working on features and he came in around noon and told me you know what I said about being productive in the first few weeks? Forget about that, we're good.

The week before I was doing manual labor in a factory. It was like going from the 1800s to the 2000s over a weekend. I made $9 an hour, less than I was making stacking boxes on pallets, but of course totally worth it in the long run. Good times.

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