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If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by smoldesu »

nickpp wrote: post #84
phoenixdblack wrote: post #51

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Since Internet Explorer is not supported anymore by most websites Safari has become the new worst browser in regards to having really bad CSS and Web API Support.

Yeah maybe you as a developer want some fancy CSS and bleeding fresh Web API but I as a user don't. The web is too bloated as it is, I feel that Apple is on my side putting a damper on that. Safari is powerful enough as it is. You want voip, notifications, codecs and so on - do the work and learn to write a native app. I'd rather pay for that than paying with my attention to ads in your "free" web app.

Yeah, this is the kind of entitled mentality that is going to sink the MacOS ship. I'm not writing a native app just for basic web browser functionality. If the choice comes down to re-writing everything for MacOS or dropping support altogether, I have no qualms cutting out less than 20% of the desktop market share.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by oopsyDoodl »

kymaz wrote: post #100
oopsyDoodl wrote: post #86

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Last I checked even server focused Linux distros ship with a firewall. Bash? Fucking savages! Zsh or gtfo Not everyone has time to memorize Linux From Scratch and git commit a CI/CD pipeline towards the perfect distro Maybe if programmers were interested in teaching versus making bank at big corp.

Need big bank to support the home loan and childcare.

As long as corporate banking is our value store that’s true.

I’d rather see humans themselves as our value store and motivate, teach, and mentor each other to do the logistics work to that end.

Letting banks gamble with our deposits when we’re all in the habit of doing these things daily anyway seems like pointless extra steps.

I think people are more willing to be a stable mesh network of agents for each other than history full of feudal warlords will let us believe, we don’t need to prop up ephemeral tent poles. That’s just old story.

Bonobo tribes have been observed killing alphas and then developing social harmony. Not saying we should behead billionaires, but austerity for elites would be a figurative death.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by johnsoft »

nickpp wrote: post #84
phoenixdblack wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since Internet Explorer is not supported anymore by most websites Safari has become the new worst browser in regards to having really bad CSS and Web API Support.

Yeah maybe you as a developer want some fancy CSS and bleeding fresh Web API but I as a user don't. The web is too bloated as it is, I feel that Apple is on my side putting a damper on that. Safari is powerful enough as it is. You want voip, notifications, codecs and so on - do the work and learn to write a native app. I'd rather pay for that than paying with my attention to ads in your "free" web app.

I was a web developer in a previous life. You can write basic standard code and Firefox/Chrome/even old Edge works fine, but Safari has a million little things that are buggy or don't work, or break at random in new versions. I wasted so much time hacking random bits of code to support iPhone. In 2021 now that IE is finally dead, I'm sure Apple is singlehandedly keeping BrowserStack in business.

The first one that comes to mind is the select method doesn't work[1], although MDN claims it does. It works _sometimes_, for reasons I couldn't discern. I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't call selecting text a fancy or bleeding edge feature.

[1]: https://stackoverflow.com/q/3272089 Don't miss the comment about an infinite loop hanging the browser

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by slownews45 »

passivate wrote: post #47
freediver wrote: post #18

Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

Sounds like your PC vendor installed a whole bunch of crap. I put W10 on a fresh PC just a couple of months back and it was a painless process. It was a W10 Pro ISO from Microsoft.

I deploy windows 10 pro.

Loaded down with crap.

What businesses want Xbox companion and xbox game bar running on all their work computers - seriously -> if you are on Microsoft search for xbox on your work computer.

Does Candy Crush Saga still come on the business pro ISO installs? That used to make the office laugh - who is paying $200/machine to get candy crush saga pre-installed.

In fact, the trick was they also had a separate app called app updater that would reload these things even if you uninstalled Candy Crush.

Too funny! The only way to get candy crush to go away was to uninstall it, then uninstall app updater - though people didn't date do that biz side because they didn't know what else app updater supported.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/candy-...

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by criddell »

underscore_ku wrote: post #69
freediver wrote: post #18

Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

why do you people bother with windows? just use linux

Most people pick the operating system that best runs the software they need.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by [deleted] »

passivate wrote: post #47
freediver wrote: post #18

Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

Sounds like your PC vendor installed a whole bunch of crap. I put W10 on a fresh PC just a couple of months back and it was a painless process. It was a W10 Pro ISO from Microsoft.

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Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by [deleted] »

freediver wrote: post #18

Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

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Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by criddell »

dkersten wrote: post #110
cblconfederate wrote: post #89

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Windows and linux don't overlap much in use cases. I think macos and linux are more interchangeable

What are the Windows use cases that Linux doesn’t do? General web browsing type tasks are solid, text editing/note taking works. Videos and audio (including Spotify) work. Steam and games generally work (even most windows games through Proton). What else does ones daughter need for school? She’s not video editing or creating music (two use cases where you may need windows or OSX; art is more or less covered through b…

> She’s not video editing or creating music

In my experience, kids do these things all the time for school projects.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by moralestapia »

prewett wrote: post #99
moralestapia wrote: post #66

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Perhaps we live in different realities that happen to be connected through Hacker News. In my timeline, Apple users have to deal with this -> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

But you don't have to update. The consequence is that every day you have to choose "Ask me later" on the notification that pops up once a day, but that's a lot easier than restoring everything I have open. I only update when I have to reboot for some reason.

Sure, read the last paragraph of my original comment.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by freediver »

phoenixdblack wrote: post #51
freediver wrote: post #24

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On a Mac, Safari is the best browser (as defined by being fast, battery efficient and native app) by a far margin compared to other mainstream choices, only matched by the Orion browser (but I may be biased).

Since Internet Explorer is not supported anymore by most websites Safari has become the new worst browser in regards to having really bad CSS and Web API Support.

That is a common misconception, CSS support in Safari is as good as Firefox, and just a hair worser than Chrome's.

(latest webcompat test results were 96/92/92 for Chrome/Firefox/Safari https://paul.kinlan.me/sorry-safari-team/ )

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