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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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If my inbox is any indication, hiring has picked back up in the last month. Tons of interest from big companies (Google, FB, door dash, and lots of smaller companies). It seems a bit odd to me as I thought the end of the year was usually a slow time for staffing.

I had the same observation.

Correlation with perf wrapping up? :)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

The biggest thing turning me off when they email is that to work for Facebook you MUST have a Facebook account. I deleted mine years ago.

Dogfooding the product you're working on isn't that unusual even if it is FB. It dramatically improves quality when you're 'forced' to use the same product you're developing.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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When you have a large company that recruits in large part on comp, perks, security, and prestige, over time that will destroy the company culture no matter how good it was at the start. Because you're gonna attract bland, boring, competent but mediocre people by recruiting on those things, and their mid-tier mindsets will gradually pollute and dilute everything that might have been remarkable about the place in the e…

For most companies, getting people to care about the mission is impossible due to labor alienation ("we're working on creating fake test data for companies that provide cloud services for payroll automation for cloud service companies that vend fake test data"), and comp, perks, security and prestige are all you can offer.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#115

When you have a large company that recruits in large part on comp, perks, security, and prestige, over time that will destroy the company culture no matter how good it was at the start. Because you're gonna attract bland, boring, competent but mediocre people by recruiting on those things, and their mid-tier mindsets will gradually pollute and dilute everything that might have been remarkable about the place in the e…

Let's say you work for one of these companies - how do you tell whether you are one of the good ones or one of the "bland, boring, competent but mediocre" ones? And are there any companies out there right now that are still chock full of good people?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

The biggest thing turning me off when they email is that to work for Facebook you MUST have a Facebook account. I deleted mine years ago.

Why? Nothing is stopping you from having a name_job account. Never add any friends other than coworkers, only use a specific browser, etc.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#117

One of the recent thought experiments I've been pondering: "What if there was a blacklist that you would join by taking/continuing employment at facebook?" The idea being that companies would agree to a pact in which they would blacklist anyone who works for facebook. What would be the consequences? Some sub-questions: 1. Would a blacklist be legal? Do employment laws prohibit hiring decisions based on one's prior em…

I guess the consequence would be to have a list of pretty good engineer at (maybe) lower prices for other companies, which would results in a competitive disadvantage.

It would also probably have a chilling effect on other potential hires : I know that I would think twice to work for a company that has this kind of blacklist. And if they do have a blacklist, I would think it thrice if they put in a company like Facebook, when other companies have a way more disastrous effect on the world in general, even if there is more publicity about facebook at the moment.

Finally, it would definitely be illegal to have at least european people on this list, but hopefully it would also be illegal in other jurisdictions.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not that Facebook isn't a great place to work, it probably is. It's the fact that if you're at the level where you can get hired by Facebook, there are many many other options to reach for and the vast majority of people at that level are just going to reach for those other companies that are just as prestigious but carry none of the stigma.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#119

When you have a large company that recruits in large part on comp, perks, security, and prestige, over time that will destroy the company culture no matter how good it was at the start. Because you're gonna attract bland, boring, competent but mediocre people by recruiting on those things, and their mid-tier mindsets will gradually pollute and dilute everything that might have been remarkable about the place in the e…

This simply isn’t true. What attracts bad people is things like lack of promotion

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Most of their post-2000 successful products stem from acquisitions: Docs, Maps, Waymo...

Docs was an acquisition? From where?

Started out as a product called Writely in the mid-2000s. Got bought by Google not long afterwards.

Not sure if it’s still the case but until fairly recently you could still see writely in the different domains Docs cycles through when logging in.

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