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Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by radus »

systemvoltage wrote: post #38
dexwiz wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you work with a designer? I’m convinced most of the push for JS apps as pages is mostly perpetuated by designers who don’t know how the DOM works and feel the need to redesign the wheel on every project. I work within a company that provides a design system and a platform of hundreds of generic component, but individual designers still always want to push their particular vision. I think if most designers took exi…

No, we don't have a design team, we're too small for that. Just that our backend is already built using Django many many years ago. If I need to add some interactivity, I use jQuery currently. Looked into Vue and it allows us to keep everything as is in the backend and use it like jQuery. I shudder everytime I need to install npm, webpack, gulp, etc..all the JS tools feel super flaky, unnecessary and does not inspire…

I totally identify with your aversion to build tools, but things have changed for the better in the last few years.

My advice would be to check out Vite, and use it with Vue. I've introduced Vite/Vue2 to a pre-existing Django project and couldn't be happier. I've explored a number of different approaches for integrating Vite and Django, and this blog had the best approach, IMO: https://weautomate.org/articles/using-vite-js-with-django/

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by Tade0 »

dceddia wrote: post #3

This seems like a huge positive step forward for Svelte and the community. Big congrats to Rich! I've been excited about Svelte for a while and recently chose to use it as the UI for a cross-platform video editing app ( https://getrecut.com ), with the back end in Rust. I've found it a pleasure to work with -- Svelte Stores and the Context system are especially great for sharing state, and the app feels snappy. Last…

> I was able to step through the compiled Svelte component code and narrow it down to one of my own functions.

This is the best part about next-gen frontend frameworks. We can go back to having a stack trace uncluttered by layers of asynchronous abstractions.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by kadomony »

Rauchg wrote: post #98
blackandsqueaky wrote: post #73

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Cloudflare currently markets successfully to a very different calibre of engineer. Meanwhile, Vercel don't even support 2FA login yet, and publish mandatory cache-busting query string parameters to the public Internet. Their "CDN" is a BYOIP range running on AWS Global Accelerator

Hey! Guillermo, CEO of Vercel here. Security is the absolute top priority at Vercel, and you should be seeing continued progress in that area in the coming weeks and months. We're heavily investing in security all the way from the SDK and its supply chain[1] to platform, product and cloud. We proudly use the best infrastructure and products available to help our customers scale without stress. AGA is quite incredible…

Hey Guillermo,

Thanks for chiming in here. Unrelated, I saw that Vercel is ramping up hiring for designers. I’ve always worked in consumer-facing design spaces (banking, travel, etc.) and want to make a change toward something more dev-oriented like Vercel, but I worry being told that “I don’t have the right experience”. Does Vercel hire folks looking to change the industry they design for? I’m a senior IC in design systems, so the extent of what I design for devs is mainly documentation sites.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by kevinak »

This is such amazing news! Betting on Svelte was the best thing ever for both my career and sanity. I'm now heavily involved in the Svelte community and next Saturday we'll be hosting our fourth conference solely dedicated to Svelte.

If you're interested in checking it out the URL is here, it's free and will be streamed on YouTube: https://sveltesummit.com

There are also two watch parties that will be hosted in New York (Rich will attend!) and in Mainz, Germany.

Links: - https://lu.ma/sveltenyc - https://lu.ma/sveltesummit-2021-mainz

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by mwcampbell »

rce wrote: post #102
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #39

Cloudflare will regret not having a developer go-to framework for their advanced Worker stuff one day. I think they are waiting for someone else to build for it which is IMO the completely wrong approach for the dream of the serverless app. You got to own the full stack including software. I can easily see Vercel becoming the pretty much only go-to in this space just from the developer trust they have created with Ne…

SvelteKit has an out-of-the-box adapter for Cloudflare workers: https://github.com/sveltejs/kit/tree/master/packages/adapter...

I hope that Rich joining Vercel doesn't end up compromising SvelteKit's current neutrality when it comes to deployment targets.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by sxiao »

Am I the only one?

Next just bought its biggest upcoming competitor—SvelteKit. Next is the best that React has to offer but it still has flaws. Svelte and SvelteKit are so awesome you cannot believe it before you've built something bigger and so much ahead of the entire React ecosystem. We migrated a huge/complex React app in a month and the difference is night and day (performance/bundle size/dev productivity). React was great but it's time to move on.

I'm disappointed by Rich. Instead of thinking bigger, raising money (it would have been so easy, Rich, instead of doing proud conference talk after talk why didn't you talk to a VC??)—he just cashed out (sky-high compensation and ESOP). Not a rant and to give you some background, one major reason we went with SvelteKit was not to rely on the Next team. And now, I am again with them...

Now we have a monopoly of rare, modern SSR frameworks.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by nicoburns »

dceddia wrote: post #65
gnrlst wrote: post #48

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I see your app is MacOS only at the moment. Are you re-writing it in Electron or what? Very curious

Yeah, rewriting it with Electron + Svelte + a Rust backend for the heavy lifting. I looked at alternatives to Electron because I wanted to avoid the bloat, but nothing felt like the right fit. Tauri ( https://tauri.studio/ ) is the most exciting, but I couldn't find a good way to get raw video frames into the UI without a bunch of expensive copies or serialization. I also looked at native toolkits like Qt (I've worke…

React-native might be the close to what you're looking for at the moment. But the ecosystem is still tiny on Desktop, and I don't think it supports desktop linux at all.

Re: Rich Harris joins Vercel to work on Svelte full time

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Post by GordonS »

systemvoltage wrote: post #16
gavinray wrote: post #15

Well, this is awesome -- but fuck me: Vue is the only major player not under the Vercel umbrella now, haha. Looks like I might have to phone in half a decade of experience. Svelte is close enough to Vue with "script setup" mode anyways, the major difference is whether your logic/keywords go INSIDE the HTML tags or OUTSIDE. Svelte doesn't support JSX/TSX though =(

I love Vue because I come from a bygone era of HTML + sprinkling jQuery as needed. 99% of the websites don't need a full blown JS frontend but everyone is doing it, I must be wrong.

Well, I guess I'm wrong too then, as most web apps I create are SSR (with dotnet), with a sprinkling of vanilla JavaScript. Previously I used jQuery, but we're finally at the point where it's not necessary.
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