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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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I really wish I could get my Surface Pro 3 to play nice with Linux. I've even used the custom kernel, but every time, without fail, it seems to heat up until the entire system freezes, at which point I have to shut it down. Maybe it's a hardware issue?

That seems hardware related. I'm currently running a more-or-less out of the box install of PopOS on my Surface Pro 3

Funny that you bring that up, I've heard multiple accounts of Ubuntu-based distributions running without issue on the device. Maybe it's my own damn fault for trying to run Arch on this thing...

EDIT: tried it, and i'm still idling at 50-60c :(

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #103

I'm typing this on my Framework now and I have to say it really is a special device. The prevailing culture of treating technology as disposable is something I personally don't vibe with - I always keep all of my tech and have collected machines over the years that most people would probably consider obsolete and uninteresting (there's an Amiga 1000 and iMac G3 currently in my field of view). Having a fully open mach…

The display is 3:2, not 4:3.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #81

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Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10I...

I don't know whats up exactly but I actually tried installing this last week and it didn't let me. Said I could only install without a product key on a system that already has a windows install.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #103

I'm typing this on my Framework now and I have to say it really is a special device. The prevailing culture of treating technology as disposable is something I personally don't vibe with - I always keep all of my tech and have collected machines over the years that most people would probably consider obsolete and uninteresting (there's an Amiga 1000 and iMac G3 currently in my field of view). Having a fully open mach…

The display is 3:2, not 4:3.

Oops, nice catch. Fixed.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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I've been using mine (min-spec 1135 DIY) for ~4 days on Sway+Manjaro; the hardware feels really good and for all the considerations made towards repairability, it feels like a no-compromises premium piece of hardware. It was nice to be able to take hardware that I have laying around (i.e. SSD and RAM) and put it to use.

The biggest disappointment so far is directly related to the processor offering:

- It feels like it warms up pretty quickly doing small things and starts spinning up the fan

- s2 ("deep") sleep works out-of-the-box but drains battery way faster than I'd like

Some of this kind of stuff may be related to the modularity of the laptop (e.g. bigger power draw of the less power-efficient non-soldered components), but I think a lot of the blame lies with Intel's offerings & hopefully things take a turn in this space for the better. I'd love to see e.g. an M1-style ARM offering from someone that runs linux and is offered in a package like Framework's.

The trackpad is probably pretty good for a 'windows laptop', but just doesn't feel as good as the one on even my 2015 Macbook (and I don't think it fundamentally can be as good with a physical 'pivot-based' click approach compared to the simulated haptic approach on the Mac). It really does feel like a compromise on usability when you see how good the basics can be on e.g. the new Macs. I don't think it's Framework's fault and the ecosystem here just needs to improve.

Based on what I've seen so far, I think this really is a game-changer for people who want a first-class linux-compatible laptop with less compromises (both 'ethically' and from a hardware perspective), and I'm really looking forward to how Framework continues to improve the offering and innovate in this space.

I'm giving it a try as a daily driver for a few weeks. I need a linux laptop for some of my hobbies and the Framework still feels like the best choice for me (including some of the Thinkpads I was looking at... hard pass on the 16:9 offerings, the 3:2 on the Framework is really nice), but I think it'll be hard to swap off of the Mac for the day-to-day usability "basics".

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #91

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We added a note to the FAQ on the configurator page, but we’ll think through how we can do a more prominent warning.

Thanks for the reply! Certainly a step in the right direction but given the significance of the issue (and unknown response time from Intel) a warning should display whenever the vpro hardware is selected in the configurator. Because of this issue I have to carefully plan when to suspend my laptop -or- shut it down every time. At this point I’d also be happy to buy a new non-vpro replacement from you but I don’t seem…

Im in the same boat. Love the product but the battery in sleep mode is pretty bad :(

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #59

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I just don't understand how everyone but me seems to just be okay with not knowing where left click stops and right click starts. They're just fine with having the pointer jiggle around whenever they click because their thumb doesn't stay perfectly centered while pressing down. How do people live like this?

Tap to click. No one actually physically clicks the corner of the touchpad.

I physically click the corner of the touchpad (or 2 finger click).

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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The Framework Laptop is literally the first time ever I've seen a laptop and wished I was at the point in my upgrade-cycle to get a new laptop. Right now I have 2-3 more years of use out of my current laptop before I upgrade though.

On the bright side, that means that even cooler second or third gen Frameworks will be available when you do end up upgrading!

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #28

Has anyone had luck with framework and openbsd? I'm having network card driver issues OOTB

There is a very nice writeup on using OpenBSD on the Framework laptop by joshua stein, one of the OpenBSD developers. Unfortunately he had to swap the wifi card as it was unsupported. https://jcs.org/2021/08/06/framework
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