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Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by cyberbanjo »

chrisseaton wrote: post #103
Vinnl wrote: post #75

Heh, reading the title I thought this was going to be someone losing all their tabs because "clear history" on mobile Safari apparently does that: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1457307545815732233 > Oh dear God.. Clearing history on Safari iOS closes all currently-opened tabs?! Why is there nothing that warns you of that?! Why does clearing history on mobile work differently from the way it does on mac? I h…

> I had 60+ important tabs open and now they're gone!! This just doesn't seem a reasonable expectation that these are preserved - they would also be lost if the computer crashed wouldn't they? If it's important then save it.

Interesting, on both my phone and computer tabs stay until I close them? Sometimes they need to manually be "recovered" if crash.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by sorokod »

chrisseaton wrote: post #103
Vinnl wrote: post #75

Heh, reading the title I thought this was going to be someone losing all their tabs because "clear history" on mobile Safari apparently does that: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1457307545815732233 > Oh dear God.. Clearing history on Safari iOS closes all currently-opened tabs?! Why is there nothing that warns you of that?! Why does clearing history on mobile work differently from the way it does on mac? I h…

> I had 60+ important tabs open and now they're gone!! This just doesn't seem a reasonable expectation that these are preserved - they would also be lost if the computer crashed wouldn't they? If it's important then save it.

Firefox has "Open previous windows and tabs" as a startup option. Is that something that Safari doesn't do?

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by hvis »

chrisseaton wrote: post #103
Vinnl wrote: post #75

Heh, reading the title I thought this was going to be someone losing all their tabs because "clear history" on mobile Safari apparently does that: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1457307545815732233 > Oh dear God.. Clearing history on Safari iOS closes all currently-opened tabs?! Why is there nothing that warns you of that?! Why does clearing history on mobile work differently from the way it does on mac? I h…

> I had 60+ important tabs open and now they're gone!! This just doesn't seem a reasonable expectation that these are preserved - they would also be lost if the computer crashed wouldn't they? If it's important then save it.

Browsers these days routinely persist the contents of the current session to disk, exactly to defend against a crash (computer or the application itself).

Of course, bugs and disk corruption happen, but you need more than a computer crash to lose all your tabs.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by berkes »

chrisseaton wrote: post #103
Vinnl wrote: post #75

Heh, reading the title I thought this was going to be someone losing all their tabs because "clear history" on mobile Safari apparently does that: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1457307545815732233 > Oh dear God.. Clearing history on Safari iOS closes all currently-opened tabs?! Why is there nothing that warns you of that?! Why does clearing history on mobile work differently from the way it does on mac? I h…

> I had 60+ important tabs open and now they're gone!! This just doesn't seem a reasonable expectation that these are preserved - they would also be lost if the computer crashed wouldn't they? If it's important then save it.

> they would also be lost if the computer crashed wouldn't they?

In 2000, maybe, yes. But nowadays all browsers write important parts of their state to disk and will recover that on crash. If you do a `sudo reboot now` in a terminal, you'll find firefox opens all tabs when rebooting.

A lot of the content in those pages will be gone; e.g. sessions, SPA/JS-in-memory-state or this comment in a textbox before submitting. But the tabs, their URLs and even the placement of tabs is restored.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by lern_too_spel »

merrywhether wrote: post #108
innocenat wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, personally, I only care about Safari because iOS. If iOS user are able to use other browsers, I wouldn't really hesitate to not support Safari.

Are you saying you basically want a Chrome monoculture? It would be terrible to give that much power to Google.

They're saying that they won't put up with Apple's laziness. If Apple wants developers to target their browser, they should provide a working browser.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by berkes »

simondotau wrote: post #69
Turing_Machine wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I remember IE6. IE6 was a total fucking mess. Everything was broken on IE6. It wasn't just a bug, it was a complete support nightmare. Indeed. While Safari does have its problems, it is a long, long way from being as bad as IE used to be. I recall one project where making it work on IE required that about 30% of the code be rewritten.

And that’s not even the worst part. The worst was all of the corporate sites that were built to run exclusively on IE6 and straight up couldn’t be used in alternative browsers. I’m talking scripts written in VBScript rather than JavaScript. ActiveX plug-ins rather than something cross-platform.

There were many websites that used just HTML, CSS and some JS and none of the "proprietary VBScript or ActiveX (or Flash)" that would not work on anything except IE6.

Most competing browsers chose to implement IE6 rendering (border box model, quirksmode etc), bug-by-bug. To at least have some of those "built for ie6 only" websites functioning and looking OKish.

But when those quirks would break the website on anything but IE6, many webmasters (is that still a function-title in 2021?) would not care, or not get budget to fix it: "96% of our users use IE6, why spend time for those 4%?". (which also begs the question: what are those 4% doing on a website that doesn't work at all for them? Shouldn't that be 100%/0%)

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by ebiester »

tediousdemise wrote: post #90
Vinnl wrote: post #75

Heh, reading the title I thought this was going to be someone losing all their tabs because "clear history" on mobile Safari apparently does that: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1457307545815732233 > Oh dear God.. Clearing history on Safari iOS closes all currently-opened tabs?! Why is there nothing that warns you of that?! Why does clearing history on mobile work differently from the way it does on mac? I h…

It boggles my mind that people use tabs like bookmarks. Not only does this usually destroy your available RAM, but its just not the right tool for the job. You are using a hammer like a screwdriver. To each their own, I guess. Just don't get mad when your browser crashes from overloading with tabs, or when you clear your history and it triggers the expected behavior of closing them. It would be a huge privacy concern…

This is a user experience problem. It is easy to close a tab. It is hard to delete a bookmark, and easy to end up with a giant list of things you will never care about again.

50 tabs open is an indication that there is a stage between "I am actively reading" and "I care about this enough to make a permanent record."

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by innocenat »

merrywhether wrote: post #108
innocenat wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, personally, I only care about Safari because iOS. If iOS user are able to use other browsers, I wouldn't really hesitate to not support Safari.

Are you saying you basically want a Chrome monoculture? It would be terrible to give that much power to Google.

There's Firefox.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

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Post by ebiester »

throwawayswede wrote: post #86

> This is a post about a bug in Safari, but if you just want to ship a Phoenix app, the easiest way to learn more is to try it out; you can be up and running in just a couple minutes I'm sort of sick of this phenomena/trend of marketing/promotional material being masked as technically helpful content. This is exactly like the appalling methods of native advertising (aka sponsored content), but now used for self-promo…

However, in this case it was technically helpful content and sharing a frustrating story. It was one paragraph that was easy to ignore. There was no popup or call to action past that simple paragraph. As far as native advertising, this is as benign as it gets.
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