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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by MegaThorx » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:33 AM UTC

BasilPH wrote: post #100

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Some great games are playstation exclusive, so if you want to play those, you have no other option. But the main reason for me is the controller: It's just so much better than any other controller I've connected to a PC. The back triggers have excellent force feedback and in some games the vibrations tell you on what type of surface you're walking. This might not count for XBox users, which can use the controller on…

> The back triggers have excellent force feedback and in some games the vibrations tell you on what type of surface you're walking.

I did play Forza Horizon 4 on the PC with a Xbox Series X controller and it worked fine. But had bad experience if I tried to use an PlayStation 4 controller. Which controller did you use?

But for Forza Horizon 5 I do play it on a Xbox Series X and currently prefer it for two reason: 1.) Its just works without any major issues (a friend of mine has on the PC currently constant crashes) 2.) My PC hardware can run the game but not pretty well

One big benefit I see on the Xbox side is that you can play the games on your PC too. And I hope that "exlusives" die as its just annoying.

But in short if you just want to play games a console might be less friction compared to a PC. No need to fiddle with graphics settings and so on.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by melff » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:33 AM UTC

BasilPH wrote: post #100

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Some great games are playstation exclusive, so if you want to play those, you have no other option. But the main reason for me is the controller: It's just so much better than any other controller I've connected to a PC. The back triggers have excellent force feedback and in some games the vibrations tell you on what type of surface you're walking. This might not count for XBox users, which can use the controller on…

> This might not count for XBox users, which can use the controller on their PC.

I use PS4 controllers with my PC(linux), pretty sure they work with windows too. What controllers cannot be connected to a PC?

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by hn_throwaway_69 » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:33 AM UTC

factorialboy wrote: post #86

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I agree with a sentiment. The only pro I can see at the moment for any console is the ability to place it in the living room for the family to share a casual gaming / entertainment experience. I do have a PC and, while not a "gamer", I enjoy hitting back on the old classics (Age of Empires 2 DE) from time to time. But that is a personal gaming experience, not to be shared with others in my home.

Cost is also a valid factor. You're not going to get an affordable PC with comparable specs that run 4k games. At some point your PC might break even, but in the here and the now, a console makes sense. I'd only recommend a PC if you needed a decent graphics card for some other reason, like video editing.

Another factor is you're far less likely to encounter modders. First thing I do is disable PC crossplay, if the game lets me.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by rvz » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:35 AM UTC

dajonker wrote: post #90

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Convenience and cost for me. You get significantly better hardware for your money than a PC for the same price, while it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it. Just turn it on and play.

> it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it.

Exactly. It just works and saves time. Just buy the game, plug it in and play it. Simple.

No 'swap this GPU inside step', 'installing additional drivers step' or 'incompatible hardware errors', or 'run it in 32 bit mode' etc.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by viraptor » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:36 AM UTC

haunter wrote: post #93

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

> Cheaper than a gaming PC

They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end.

> Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc.

You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by okasaki » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:36 AM UTC

haunter wrote: post #93

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

It's only cheaper if the only thing you're using a PC for is gaming. But most people have other uses for it, so now you need a console + PC.

Might as well buy a better PC to do everything.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by melff » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:38 AM UTC

haunter wrote: post #93

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

> That being said I have a gaming PC and consoles too mostly becasue of the exclusives

That's one of the reasons I hate consoles on an ideological level. Unless there are technical reason that make porting the game so hard that it's just not worth it, the only reason for "exclusives" to exist is to fuck over consumers.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by wongarsu » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:40 AM UTC

haunter wrote: post #93

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

As for how it manages to be cheaper, there's two factors

- At the beginning of the release cycle consoles are often sold at a loss, the money is made back from game sales (a $60 PC game costs $70 on console)

- It's much easier to optimize for the known hardware configuration of a console than for "all PCs". Console hardware isn't high-end, the heavy lifting is done by heavy optimization of the games for the specific hardware

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by nchie » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:40 AM UTC

okasaki wrote: post #116

haunter wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

It's only cheaper if the only thing you're using a PC for is gaming. But most people have other uses for it, so now you need a console + PC. Might as well buy a better PC to do everything.

Most people use a laptop (or even tablet) for their everyday needs nowadays, and they likely don't want a heavy and hot gaming laptop for that.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Aaargh20318 » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #115

haunter wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

> Cheaper than a gaming PC They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. > Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc. You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end.

How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.