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Post by Loughla »

wyager wrote: post #80
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sort of like how GW Bush was the one you'd rather have a beer with (than Al Gore)? When will Americans realize that being "the sort of down to earth person you'd rather have a beer with" is not a qualification for political office?

This truck driver has a bit more credibility when signaling “down to earth” than GWB. People like down to earth politicians because it’s less likely they’re aspirational psychopaths who will sell out their selectorate.

I mean, it's just the old argument of does the power corrupt or do the corrupt seek out power.

I believe it's the power itself. I do not believe politicians go into politics exclusively for what they can gain. I believe many, if not most, really believe their ideas are best and can help people. . . the graft and corruption just sort of comes in later when they realize all that is possible.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by CWuestefeld »

tootie wrote: post #102
xboxnolifes wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the non-down-to-earth types act in office in such a way to win their vote.

That's not the outcome I'd actually want. I want voters to be rational. Not candidates who are better at appeals to emotion.

grandparent didn't say anything about appeals to emotion. The meaning could just as easily be "down to earth gives me just the facts without a lot of spin" - ie, the opposite of what you're thinking.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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post_break wrote: post #77

I find this part hilarious "Durr said he entered the race after being denied a concealed carry permit despite having a clean record." So the state with one of the most strict gun laws burns someone, and now he's probably going to win. I wonder if he's going to start turning screws to get their permit issue laws changed. Did you know in NJ you can not posses hollow point bullets? You can go to jail. 18 months in priso…

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Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by jterrys »

celtain wrote: post #72
nostromo wrote: post #48

A Republican just won an election in Seattle City Government for the first time in three decades. This election has seen some big shifts in the electorate, even in some deeply-Democratic areas. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/republica...

To be clear though, that was a somewhat unusual race, e.g. the incumbent progressive Democrat probably would have won if he hadn't been knocked out in the primary. The ex-Democrat, Obama/Clinton/Biden-voting Republican who won benefited greatly from the fact that her opponent had some pretty radical views, too radical even for Seattle.

I'm not up to date on city politics, but I had a friend that used to live in Seattle for a while. She kind of hightailed it outta there once she found a remote job because of the homelessness/drug problem. Told me people protested the museum downtown for installing architecture that made setting up homeless tents hostile, and that the city's solution to the drug problem (induced by already decriminalizing hard drugs) is to decriminalize and make drugs more available.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by bpodgursky »

celtain wrote: post #72
nostromo wrote: post #48

A Republican just won an election in Seattle City Government for the first time in three decades. This election has seen some big shifts in the electorate, even in some deeply-Democratic areas. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/republica...

To be clear though, that was a somewhat unusual race, e.g. the incumbent progressive Democrat probably would have won if he hadn't been knocked out in the primary. The ex-Democrat, Obama/Clinton/Biden-voting Republican who won benefited greatly from the fact that her opponent had some pretty radical views, too radical even for Seattle.

Progressives lost a "safe" city council seat (and nearly another) and the mayor. It wasn't a normal election.

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Post by busymom0 »

yeuxardents wrote: post #97
post_break wrote: post #77

I find this part hilarious "Durr said he entered the race after being denied a concealed carry permit despite having a clean record." So the state with one of the most strict gun laws burns someone, and now he's probably going to win. I wonder if he's going to start turning screws to get their permit issue laws changed. Did you know in NJ you can not posses hollow point bullets? You can go to jail. 18 months in priso…

Thats not exactly correct. You can own hollow points in NJ, but you may only transport them from place of purchase to your home, or from your home directly to the range where you intend to shoot them, or from range back to home. It is most certainly illegal to use hollow points in any instance in a case of self defense, even if the self defense is warranted.

> It is most certainly illegal to use hollow points in any instance in a case of self defense, even if the self defense is warranted.

That makes no sense and if that's the case, it's definitely unconstitutional.

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Post by stickyricky »

dlp211 wrote: post #28
stickyricky wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an interesting story about Madigan in Chicago. Ran the Illinois machine. Corrupt as all hell. A college student decided to run against him and collected enough signatures to get on the ballot. Madigan typically ran unopposed. Well come to find about, of the 500 people who signed the petition to get this kid on the ballot, 1200 rescinded their support. You do the math. These people aren't loved. They just kno…

It's not that simple. There was a multi-million dollar (I believe it was $18MM) coordinated campaign against Sweeny in 2017 that failed. It wasn't about offering voters a choice, they've had choices in the past.

You're right its not. But there's something to be said for voting for one of two insiders or an insider versus an outsider.

I don't think Mr. Durr's achievement is replicable. In my opinion, significant election reform is necessary.

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Post by stickyricky »

syngrog66 wrote: post #100
stickyricky wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an interesting story about Madigan in Chicago. Ran the Illinois machine. Corrupt as all hell. A college student decided to run against him and collected enough signatures to get on the ballot. Madigan typically ran unopposed. Well come to find about, of the 500 people who signed the petition to get this kid on the ballot, 1200 rescinded their support. You do the math. These people aren't loved. They just kno…

> Well come to find about, of the 500 people who signed the petition to get this kid on the ballot, 1200 rescinded their support. > You do the math. I did and, well... squints at those numbers

"The Chicago-School of Mathematics".

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Post by Covzire »

nostromo wrote: post #48

A Republican just won an election in Seattle City Government for the first time in three decades. This election has seen some big shifts in the electorate, even in some deeply-Democratic areas. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/republica...

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