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Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Post by Kelteseth »

rendall wrote: post #18
Kelteseth wrote: post #3

Interesting! Living in Friedrichshafen (Germany) the birthplace of the Zeppelin, I'm wondering if this would be a valid option, because the Zeppelin NT that is used here in the summer uses only Helium AFAIK. The Zeppelin NT has an emergency drain that would essentially mean releasing 7.400 m³ worth of helium. I will definitely ask a family member that works at Zeppelin what he thinks of this research!

Awesome! Could you do us HN readers a favor and tell us here what he says?

So I had a brief conversation with Arthur Brauchle (Head of electrics and avionics)and we talked about some problems with the idea:

- Laws: You are currently not allowed to use anything besides pure helium

- Osmosis: Natural separation would occur, so you would need to make sure to mix helium and hydrogen constantly.

- Cleaning: They have to constantly monitoring the humidity of the helium and have to remove it with a specialized machine on a humid day. This would not work with a mixed gas (with the current design).

- (Speculation) Do not mix it in the first place: Create a sealed off hydrogen balloon in a helium balloon. This would have other problem like different expansion based on temperature. The devil is in the details here...

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Post by bernulli »

beervirus wrote: post #107
bernulli wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but the post I replied to, and apparently you felt the urge to reply to my comment. But I now understand that you did not intend to contribute to the discussion, thanks for the clarification!

The comment you replied to was mine though…

I didn’t realize you were daniel-cussen - but it looks like you’re merely overwhelmed by how a forum works. That’s fine, but maybe dial down the smugness.

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Post by beervirus »

bernulli wrote: post #112
beervirus wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment you replied to was mine though…

I didn’t realize you were daniel-cussen - but it looks like you’re merely overwhelmed by how a forum works. That’s fine, but maybe dial down the smugness.

Click on your comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29096388

Then click parent. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

Smugness indeed.

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

#114

Post by bernulli »

beervirus wrote: post #113
bernulli wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t realize you were daniel-cussen - but it looks like you’re merely overwhelmed by how a forum works. That’s fine, but maybe dial down the smugness.

Click on your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29096388 Then click parent. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Smugness indeed.

One day you'll understand how a thread works! Don't give up hope!

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Post by beervirus »

bernulli wrote: post #114
beervirus wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Click on your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29096388 Then click parent. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Smugness indeed.

One day you'll understand how a thread works! Don't give up hope!

I’m guessing you didn’t click like I suggested.

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

#116

Post by bernulli »

beervirus wrote: post #115
bernulli wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One day you'll understand how a thread works! Don't give up hope!

I’m guessing you didn’t click like I suggested.

That's true, I hope you're not waiting anymore.

If you want to understand this thread, I suggest you start at the start.

Hint 1: I gave you the name of the person I answered to.

Hint 2: No matter how often you repeat it, it wasn't you.

Hint 3: Maybe it helps if you draw a flow chart of the different statements in the conversation!

But, see, don't worry. Because you jumped into a conversation between the post I replied to and myself, I assumed you had to add something to that conversation. I realize that I was mistaken and you just swooped in to offload some unrelated fun fact. My bad, won't happen again!

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Post by beervirus »

bernulli wrote: post #116
beervirus wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m guessing you didn’t click like I suggested.

That's true, I hope you're not waiting anymore. If you want to understand this thread, I suggest you start at the start. Hint 1: I gave you the name of the person I answered to. Hint 2: No matter how often you repeat it, it wasn't you. Hint 3: Maybe it helps if you draw a flow chart of the different statements in the conversation! But, see, don't worry. Because you jumped into a conversation between the post I replie…

The comment you replied to was mine. It was this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29094670

Yes, there was a higher level comment from someone else. But it wasn’t the one you replied to.

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Post by bernulli »

beervirus wrote: post #117
bernulli wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, I hope you're not waiting anymore. If you want to understand this thread, I suggest you start at the start. Hint 1: I gave you the name of the person I answered to. Hint 2: No matter how often you repeat it, it wasn't you. Hint 3: Maybe it helps if you draw a flow chart of the different statements in the conversation! But, see, don't worry. Because you jumped into a conversation between the post I replie…

The comment you replied to was mine. It was this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29094670 Yes, there was a higher level comment from someone else. But it wasn’t the one you replied to.

What can I say. Maybe drawing that flow chart really would be helpful for you. It's a valuable skill, being able to follow a thread or a conversation, and trying to understand the back and forth between statements and arguments may come in handy some other time.

Re: Can helium be mixed with hydrogen to form a non-explosive mix? (2003)

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Post by beervirus »

bernulli wrote: post #118
beervirus wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment you replied to was mine. It was this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29094670 Yes, there was a higher level comment from someone else. But it wasn’t the one you replied to.

What can I say. Maybe drawing that flow chart really would be helpful for you. It's a valuable skill, being able to follow a thread or a conversation, and trying to understand the back and forth between statements and arguments may come in handy some other time.

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