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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by staticautomatic »

manquer wrote: post #102
spoonjim wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the article should give you some glimpse into the mindset behind transactional sex. I see Tweets I like, and photos of a woman with a good body. Her rate was $1,200, I am willing to pay. Consenting adults, consenting exchange, it might not be for you, and it might make you feel gross, that’s OK as you don’t try to deny us the right to make the exchange. Of course not relevant since she is not escorting now.

Perhaps his objection is a bit different( or maybe am projecting). It may feel more wrong that you are talking about it in a forum, rather than engaging with her privately

She’s posting in the replies here so maybe she’ll say whether this feels like an affront to her humanity. Still, this conversation around why it might be icky seems philosophically meaningful.

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Post by collegeburner »

iammisc wrote: post #108
collegeburner wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youre downvoted but have a good point. I agree its a victimless crime and so the govt has no business regulating it, but pushing for destigmitization is a different kind of social change. Why is that important?

Prostitution is not a victimless crime. This is just mental gymnastics that people do to make themselves feel better abotu themselves. No woman wakes up one day and says 'I want to sell my body for sex to the highest bidder' unless forced to by circumstance.

I know a lot of guys who dont wake up every day and say they want to sell their bodys for hard labor to the highest bidder, but it's decent work. Similar to how women can contract incurable, potentially-lethal venereal diseases as prostitutes, jobs like construction can really mess up a man's body. Doesn't mean we should ban them.

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Post by yedava »

Aella wrote: post #56
yedava wrote: post #53

> 41% reported sexual assault This is from a group of sex workers who appear to be screening their clientele. I wonder how high the number would be among sex workers who don't have the same amount of financial safety net that someone who can pick and chose their clients has. I also wonder how those assaults could be brought down, if that is even possible in the first place. I always hear how sex work just needs to be…

It should be decriminalized , not regulated. I would have liked to have been able to go to the police about the client who assaulted me, but unfortunately this didn't cross my mind as an option.

Yes, you're right. I had decriminalization in mind, but maybe chose the incorrect word.

And to elaborate on the prosecution part, in the wake of #MeToo, a lot of people came out with their stories, but not many of them pursued a legal route. I got the feeling that proving many of those allegations would be difficult in a legal system and whatever cases that did go through the legal system had a preponderance of evidence - along with immense social pressure - backing them up (think Bill Cosby/Harvery Weinstein). This is what made me wonder how much of a deterrent decriminalization/regulation would be on sexual assaults. Do we have to use public shaming, like in #MeToo, as a deterrent mechanism?

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Post by keithnz »

yedava wrote: post #53

> 41% reported sexual assault This is from a group of sex workers who appear to be screening their clientele. I wonder how high the number would be among sex workers who don't have the same amount of financial safety net that someone who can pick and chose their clients has. I also wonder how those assaults could be brought down, if that is even possible in the first place. I always hear how sex work just needs to be…

I'm wondering what the safety stats are here in New Zealand where it is legal (and basically when we legalized it, the sky didn't fall).

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

manquer wrote: post #79
emerged wrote: post #22

I actually read the entire thing. It was worth it imo. Some stand outs were her kind words about her clients (almost strange to see men as a class described with such positive words). She is clearly a very rational and intelligent person and this is a business to her like any other. Yeah I really don’t get why this stuff is illegal, even though I have no interest myself.

Her experience is not a good indicator or whether it should be legal or not . She is an exception even as an escort, and also high end escort work she describes here is very very different from the run on the mill prostitution. Her strategy of avoiding trouble by keeping price higher even if lower frequency engagements may not be feasible for many, they may be unable to get clients at higher price points and like any…

One of the arguments of legalisation/decriminalisation/whatever you want to call it is that it brings it out from being underground and anyone can call law enforcement. However given the relationship with law enforcement in the US I’m not sure how well that would work.

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Post by eyelidlessness »

chasil wrote: post #106

As funny as it may be, this is a weakness in human character, a desire for a thing of no value. Transactional exchanges bleach emotion and depth. There are productive relationships in life. They do not lie within this realm. For myself, this was waste of time. I do not deny those who seek it, but the end result is always to be disillusioned. And now I sound like an octogenarian.

One of the friendships I most value in my life, I formed meeting for the more transactional version of this: at a brothel. I made a lifelong friend because I connected with someone, even though I was paying for sex.

I’m not expecting to change your mind about whether this kind of interaction can become a meaningful connection. But I know from experience it doesn’t have to be empty.

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Post by chasil »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #116
chasil wrote: post #106

As funny as it may be, this is a weakness in human character, a desire for a thing of no value. Transactional exchanges bleach emotion and depth. There are productive relationships in life. They do not lie within this realm. For myself, this was waste of time. I do not deny those who seek it, but the end result is always to be disillusioned. And now I sound like an octogenarian.

One of the friendships I most value in my life, I formed meeting for the more transactional version of this: at a brothel. I made a lifelong friend because I connected with someone, even though I was paying for sex. I’m not expecting to change your mind about whether this kind of interaction can become a meaningful connection. But I know from experience it doesn’t have to be empty.

Perhaps I am trying to change yours.

This is what I have to show you of this experience, and potentially of all others:

XXVII Myself when young did eagerly frequent Doctor and Saint, and heard great argument About it and about: but evermore Came out by the same door where in I went.

XXVIII With them the seed of Wisdom did I sow, And with mine own hand wrought to make it grow; And this was all the Harvest that I reap'd-- "I came like Water, and like Wind I go."

This is from the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyiam.

Perhaps the experience had meaning for you. I know what I have read.

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Post by iammisc »

collegeburner wrote: post #112
iammisc wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prostitution is not a victimless crime. This is just mental gymnastics that people do to make themselves feel better abotu themselves. No woman wakes up one day and says 'I want to sell my body for sex to the highest bidder' unless forced to by circumstance.

I know a lot of guys who dont wake up every day and say they want to sell their bodys for hard labor to the highest bidder, but it's decent work. Similar to how women can contract incurable, potentially-lethal venereal diseases as prostitutes, jobs like construction can really mess up a man's body. Doesn't mean we should ban them.

Yet, many men wake up with the desire to build things. That is not an atypical desire. Many men wake up with a desire to build things for money. Many women do as well.

Few people wake up wanting to sell their procreative parts to the highest bidder.

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Post by EllieEffingMae »

iammisc wrote: post #118
collegeburner wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a lot of guys who dont wake up every day and say they want to sell their bodys for hard labor to the highest bidder, but it's decent work. Similar to how women can contract incurable, potentially-lethal venereal diseases as prostitutes, jobs like construction can really mess up a man's body. Doesn't mean we should ban them.

Yet, many men wake up with the desire to build things. That is not an atypical desire. Many men wake up with a desire to build things for money. Many women do as well. Few people wake up wanting to sell their procreative parts to the highest bidder.

If you're okay with one of these things but not the other, then you are applying a double standard based on a moralisation of sex. Sex as labour is no different than any labour, and there is no criticism of sex work that is whole an complete that does not also criticise the very system you're defending.

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Post by kragen »

Aella wrote: post #45
jrochkind1 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP did mention using crypto currency, although implied that it was an unusual thing for sure (in general, and not usual for them either). > I required deposits of 20% for long appointments (6+ hours), because I had a lot of time booked up that would be a painful loss if they cancelled. Deposits are hard to do because everybody wants anonymity and payment processers are cruel; I typically accepted amazon gift card…

I personally am very into crypto, but most of my clients were older and less likely to be crypto users!

Do you have up-to-date info on how popular cryptocurrency is among camgirls, as opposed to escorts?
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