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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by MikeBVaughn »

What is the warranty experience like on earlier Pixels?

I've heard some bad things about Google's consumer-electronics-side customer service, but I don't know how representative those stories are.

I dislike iOS, but AppleCare+ is the one thing that tempts me to go back to iPhones. If, after spending my entire work day writing code and fixing bugs, I have a problem with my phone, being able to say "you know, screw it, this is is a problem for the Genius Bar" has a very strong appeal.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by bastardoperator »

o_____________o wrote: post #53

Switched to iPhone last year and can't believe how bad iOS is generally. Feels years behind. Missing Android!

That's how Android felt for me. Too many knobs, and a lack of good apps. I'll take Apple's integration over what amounts to nothing any day of the week.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by fractalb »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #74
marcellus23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

You know that Google Photos scans everything, server-side, since like 2012 right?

Maybe the point is that's on the server, not on the device.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by Jtsummers »

psychometry wrote: post #69
alexmcc81 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> exact matches Not exact matches. Hashes. Hashes that were quickly show to have collisions that the company brushed off.

Thus the manual review. No one's going to be going to prison over a hash collision here.

Right. Requiring exact matches for this kind of material is absurd as a single pixel change would foil any detection. So everyone, practically speaking, trying to detect it is going to use some form of hash algorithms. And every hash algorithm, by definition, permits potential collisions and false positives. Which is why any sensible program will use a manual review process before pushing anything forward to law enforcement. Apple's system, requiring ~30 matches, means that you'd have to have 30 or so false positives that also happen to look like CSAM to manual reviewers to end up getting a false case sent off to law enforcement.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by gigel82 »

marcellus23 wrote: post #65
flutas wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their intent is to scan cloud photos corrected: their intent is to scan all photos in your photo library, on your device, including images automatically pulled in from from various sources such as messages, if you have iCloud Photo enabled.

> images automatically pulled in from from various sources such as messages As far as I am aware, this is false and there is no mechanism on iOS by which images are "automatically pulled into" the photo library from anywhere, Messages or otherwise. Do you have a source or an example of how that could happen? (edit: people are mentioning Whatsapp, which I guess has an option to auto-save received photos. Fair enough,…

I know Whatsapp photos that I never even opened (from groups I probably muted long ago) end up in the phone library whenever I do the (manual) monthly photo dump to my PC.

But yes, I agree with the comment, there's no reason to hide between details: Apple plans to introduce the capability of scanning photos on your local device and comparing hashes against an opaque (non-reviewable) list of hashes that they (along with governments) control (details about how they plan to initially employ this capability are irrelevant).

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by wffurr »

eric_b wrote: post #89

This will get downvoted immediately but what the heck. I understand we need better representation for people of color in many places - but dang Google, not a single white guy on the Pixel 6 page [0]?? Dozens of photos of people, not one white male. Sort of jarring in the reverse if you ask me. [0] https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6?hl=en-US Edit: Because the common reply to mine seems to be "Well now you know h…

How interesting that this clearly made made you uncomfortable. I imagine it's similar to how people of color feel when seeing seas of white faces on product pages past.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by theshrike79 »

dopamean wrote: post #29
meetups323 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Google doesn't scan photos uploaded to its cloud services for CSAM?

I don't understand replies like this one I keep seeing on HN. I thought the controversy around what apple wanted to do was that it was happening on device and not in the cloud. The user you're replying to made that distinction so what gives?

Apple's solution was to scan stuff that was going to be uploaded anyway on-device before upload.

Using that they could add multiple redundancies and they wouldn't need to look at your stuff on the cloud at all before getting multiple positive matches. And even then the first level is a human checking if it's an actual match or a false positive.

This was somehow a huge invasion of privacy, when people were competing on who could misunderstand the very simple premise the most.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by arghwhat »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #61
marcellus23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

> exact matches Not exact matches. Hashes. Hashes that were quickly show to have collisions that the company brushed off.

Accurate, but note that intent as OP referred to is not the same as implementation. Fucking up doesn't mean you intended to fuck up.

With Google you can be absolutely sure that their intent is to eat all your personal information and data for short-term profit. With Apple it was "just" a stupid attempt at legal (over?) compliance.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by marcellus23 »

flutas wrote: post #94
marcellus23 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> images automatically pulled in from from various sources such as messages As far as I am aware, this is false and there is no mechanism on iOS by which images are "automatically pulled into" the photo library from anywhere, Messages or otherwise. Do you have a source or an example of how that could happen? (edit: people are mentioning Whatsapp, which I guess has an option to auto-save received photos. Fair enough,…

> As far as I am aware, there is no mechanism on iOS by which images are "automatically pulled into" iCloud photos from anywhere, Messages or otherwise. Do you have a source or an example of how that could happen? When I receive images from my friends, they don't go into my photo library until I explicitly tap "save". Per Apple [0] >Shared with You works across the system to find the (...) photos, and more that are…

Shared with You does not actually save the images to your photo library. It just surfaces them inside the Photos app. I will admit it's not very clear from the press release, but those are the facts.

I was not being disingenuous, frankly. I said that Apple is scanning your cloud photos, i.e. they are scanning photos that are uploaded to the cloud. Photos not being uploaded to the cloud are not scanned. I made no claims about where the scanning is happening, and I'm not particularly sure why it matters in any material sense.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

notyourday wrote: post #101
_xy8h wrote: post #79

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You're right! They suck, this is the first time they've ever built a phone and they have no history of working devices to prove themselves!

> they have no history of working devices to prove themselves! * Boot loops. * Android updates that they push to their own phones that brick those phones or break the cameras. It is as if their engineers write code against the devices those engineers can't use to test on. * Non-existent customer service in case the phone does go into a boot loop or update breaks the camera.

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