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Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by PolCPP » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 11:50 AM UTC

skinkestek wrote: post #31

hsn915 wrote: post #17

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How can people be having this kind of conversation while also claiming this is the state of the art or the gold standard in 2021? I've been running macos since 2012 and never had such issues. That's over 10 years ago. Of course, OS X is older than that, and as far as I can tell, it never had such issues.

On the other hand I still cannot configure CMD-tab to work like on Windows and most Linux desktop environments ln my brand new Mac. Keyboard navigation (moving between or selecting words or lines of text) still seems somewhat hit or miss even though it is better than when I left Mac OS behind in 2012. Of course this might not matter to you (and I even know some of you prefer the separation between "application switch…

Here: Install this, will fix how command+tab works and it's actively developed.

https://github.com/lwouis/alt-tab-macos

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by JoiDegn » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 11:54 AM UTC

pmontra wrote: post #107

solarkraft wrote: post #95

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Woah woah woah woah. Why would anyone without an Nvidia card be using X? You have to go out of your way to use this antiquated and deprecated technology with Gnome nowadays and screen tearing is specifically one of its problems.

Does Wayland finally support screensharing apps, both native and web? That's what is keeping me on X11 plus an NVIDIA card.

Yes, kind of. Works fine using pipewire for me. You can't share the entire screen, only individual windows which is my preferred option anyways.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by q-base » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 12:03 PM UTC

badRNG wrote: post #74

q-base wrote: post #68

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Any good reasons to select Pop over Ubuntu?

Here's a few: - Great initial repo list - Togglable tiling manager - Excellent shortcuts for everything that improve my workflow Sure, I could get all of this stuff and more working on any other distro, but this stuff works out of the box, and is stable.

Thanks a lot for the list. "Luckily" not deal-breakers that would warrant a shift for me. I have been using Ubuntu without any complaints as daily driver for a year or so. But as I plan to get a new laptop in the future I contemplated whether I should try a new distro as well.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 12:08 PM UTC

jmrm wrote: post #103

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #77

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>I've written a couple reviews Isn't it just Ubuntu with slightly (basically introduces tiling) different shell? What is there to review?

There are some desktop and environment changes, but Pop also have a really good power management module that no other distro has, and good compatibility aroung different GPUs combination, and that is a big deal in laptops. I had some problem in the past with a laptop with Intel GPU + AMD GPU interchangeable graphics in other distros while with Pop is ready to use after installing. AFAIK, those who had Nvidia Optimus…

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Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by canadaduane » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 12:24 PM UTC

orthoxerox wrote: post #108

The worst thing about Pop OS is the official styling of its name. "Pop!_OS", who came up with this?

Funny, I actually like it. It feels both fun & geeky to me.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by panick21_ » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 12:31 PM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #101

Bayart wrote: post #81

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Excuse me for asking, but why would you use ZFS on a laptop/desktop ? That's the target for PopOS.

ZFS has a reputation as being rock-solid and having a ton of features. Both XFS and BTRFS replicate parts of it, but never really the whole thing. ... but I don’t think it should be the focus of a consumer focused distro since that’s quite an advanced functionality.

Why not just use the best system, the features being advanced doesn't have to be a problem. The people that build the distro set this up, the users shouldn't really know or care.

But ontop of ZFS distors can build great stuff. Ubuntu is moving in that directin as well, but I don't like some of their choices.

Still one of the reasons to use Ubuntu over PopOS is the ZFS support.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by panick21_ » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 12:35 PM UTC

Bayart wrote: post #81

panick21_ wrote: post #61

I really love the company and use Pop OS. The only thing I would really love for them to do is focus on ZFS out of box experience. Having the default encryption go Native ZFS encryption would be really great.

Excuse me for asking, but why would you use ZFS on a laptop/desktop ? That's the target for PopOS.

There is this myth out there that ZFS is not for desktop/laptop. I have no idea why this is. There is no reason for that thinking. The developers of ZFS were using ZFS on desktop literally before it was finished, it was always intend to do both desktop and servers.

Its just that Solaris and FreeBSD systems were primary servers. If ZFS is the best file system, why not just use it?

I would really like to use native encrypted ZFS and then to encrypted backups with 'zfs send'. I would like good check sums, snapshots and all the features of ZFS.

Its simply overall the best system, I don't think there is really series competition. And the FS is one of the single most important parts of a OS. ZFS could be a major reason why people move to PopOS.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by FunnyLookinHat » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 12:37 PM UTC

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #77

JeremyMorgan wrote: post #8

Pop is my new favorite. I started using it at the urging of friends, and love it. I've written a couple reviews of it on my blog, as it's been my "daily driver" for my laptop for nearly a year. I've been a Linux user since 1995/96, and a die hard Arch user for about 10 years. So why would I want a Linux distro that's super hands-off and easy to use? It's incredibly stable. "Set it and forget it". If I want a bleeding…

>I've written a couple reviews Isn't it just Ubuntu with slightly (basically introduces tiling) different shell? What is there to review?

Anecdotal evidence, I know... But there were several things that just didn't work right for me on vanilla Ubuntu that Pop made right when I switched 3 years ago. Mostly graphics related in my case.

I think it's important to remember that System 76 has been "making Linux work on hardware" for over a decade now, which is a totally different mindset to building a distro than most maintainers have.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by NoThisIsMe » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 12:47 PM UTC

q-base wrote: post #68

JeremyMorgan wrote: post #8

Pop is my new favorite. I started using it at the urging of friends, and love it. I've written a couple reviews of it on my blog, as it's been my "daily driver" for my laptop for nearly a year. I've been a Linux user since 1995/96, and a die hard Arch user for about 10 years. So why would I want a Linux distro that's super hands-off and easy to use? It's incredibly stable. "Set it and forget it". If I want a bleeding…

Any good reasons to select Pop over Ubuntu?

There are other reasons but for one Pop doesn't push Snap. Flatpak is available and well integrated, but isn't forced down your throat (as Snap is in Ubuntu).

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by rubyist5eva » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:05 PM UTC

NoThisIsMe wrote: post #119

q-base wrote: post #68

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Any good reasons to select Pop over Ubuntu?

There are other reasons but for one Pop doesn't push Snap. Flatpak is available and well integrated, but isn't forced down your throat (as Snap is in Ubuntu).

I generally prefer flatpak but I feel snap is a bit ahead and for one simple reason: marketing.

Canonical has been pushing very hard for snaps and it shows when I get get official builds of things like Zoom, Visual Studio Code, JetBrains and Spotify but the flatpak versions are just community provided. Some of them tend to work better than flatpak as well because of “classic” confinement. Using VS Code in flatpak and not having full access to the system in my integrated terminal kinda sucks. It might not be better from a security perspective but it’s much better from a user experience perspective and that matters more to me personally.

The said I still use flatpak as well, and prefer to use flatpak if there isn’t a material difference in functionality between the snap and flatpak.