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Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by Oddskar »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #58
0134340 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that's very frustrating. I'm scared to even listen to new music on it because I'd try to use it for discovery but it would mistake what I listen to for what I like. Besides that it hardly recommends me any new music anyway. I now just use youtube for discovery.

They should add an incognito mode or something. You could even do this maliciously. Send someone a Spotify link to a Steely Dan song and a Skrillex song, and now yacht rock and dubstep will follow them around until they delete their account (I'm assuming the intersection between those fan-bases is vanishingly small).

That already exists.

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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by AcerbicZero »

psKama wrote: post #90
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…

That's the exact reason I switched to YouTube Music. I remember even about 10 years ago, last.fm's algorithm on bringing songs I would enjoy basing on previously listened/liked songs was far more accurate than Spotify's today.

Weird, I switched to Spotify once Google Play Music (or whatever silly name it had when Google ate songza) became YouTube Music because I found it such a poor experience.

Perhaps I was missing something but the change def did not improve the recommendations - it made them drastically worse.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by T00TH3M00N »

psKama wrote: post #90
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…

That's the exact reason I switched to YouTube Music. I remember even about 10 years ago, last.fm's algorithm on bringing songs I would enjoy basing on previously listened/liked songs was far more accurate than Spotify's today.

Haha same. I couldn't believe how much better YT Music was. There's no going back

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by spurgu »

banana_maker wrote: post #79
echelon wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want a service where I can upload my own files and easily access them from a player interface in the browser, mobile, etc. I want the ability to rate music across multiple user-configurable dimensions. Add tags. Create smart playlists that interpolate between these. I want to be able to pay a fee to subscribe to music discovery, then be able to mix these with my own library. If I really like a track, I'd like to bu…

Check out Navidrome [0]. It's the closest one that I've found. It supports the Subsonic API so there are plenty of mobile apps and probably some desktop ones that work with it. I use play:Sub on iOS. 0: https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome

This looks really nice, thanks for sharing!

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by dfdz »

I have seen this article before. The author are so close to understanding why Spotify does NOT need a dislike button

>To dislike a song is easy – to like one, you have to actually invest time in it.

Likewise, to detect if a user dislikes a song is easy since the user will not invest time listening to it: the skip button is the dislike button.

In contrast, detecting if a user likes a song is more difficult: there needs to be a way to distinguish between a user enjoying a song and the user not paying attention (in that case the user will provide no input whether they like the song or not.)

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by ldjkfkdsjnv »

aeyes wrote: post #99
psKama wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the exact reason I switched to YouTube Music. I remember even about 10 years ago, last.fm's algorithm on bringing songs I would enjoy basing on previously listened/liked songs was far more accurate than Spotify's today.

Does the algorithm of YouTube Music behave similar to standard YouTube? YouTube (not Music) basically always recommends the same tracks in the same order and within the same genre bubble. It is hard to discover anything new which makes me not want to try YouTube Music.

My experience is the algorithm is a bit different. I have not been on the platform for long, but my recommendations have been great. I've also been listening to music on the same youtube account for 10+ years, so I assume they have alot of data.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by feanaro »

notyourwork wrote: post #85
feanaro wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must say your dismissal of this is rather annoying. Multiple users are telling you they are facing a real -- and completely obvious and predictable -- problem due to the feature not being available. In a comment section regarding research showing it would be an improvement to recommendations. Increased UI clutter due to a single extra icon is not a good nor sufficient argument for not including it.

My dismissal is based on a many-million digit customer base and online real world data. Sorry if a few hackernews users feel they want a dislike button, most users don't and if you give to them most users don't use it. I don't mind disagreement but dismissing real world data from this industry is sort of silly to counter with 'because I want it you're wrong'.

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm saying your argument for not including it for (at the very least) a sizeable minority is weak and somewhat silly.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by rhcom2 »

wara23arish wrote: post #33
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…

100% I remember seeing a promoted playlist about empowering women voices (this is music) I was so confused. In literally most of the world, this isn’t even a point of contention.

"In honor of the revolution, it's half-off at the Gap"

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by nvr219 »

I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't really care about recommendation engines because I still don't use them. I get music recommendations from friends or music journalism the way I did pre-Pandora and it still works for me. Maybe I'm missing out on some sick bands though.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by intricatedetail »

jorgesborges wrote: post #22

So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…

It's only a matter of time comment like this will decrease your social score...
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