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Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

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Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

I would reverse the causation. People become vegans because they are highly empathetic and emotionally driven - this personality type also is more susceptible to anxiety and depression

I'm very much not a vegan. However, as I've grown more eco-conscious over time, I find myself drawn to it due to the environmental costs (for now though, my stomach continues to win over my mind)

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#113

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I wonder if more bioavailable B vitamins from a meat-heavy diet has anything to do with it. Vegetarian diets, as I understand the common saying, need to actively contain or be supplemented with B vitamin sources. If you're veg but live on nutrient-poor junk food, I could see nutritional deficiencies entering the mix. I think it's relatively uncontroversial that malnutrition has mental health side effects.

B12 is fun. Livestock is supplemented with B12. Meat-based diets need their meat to be actively supplemented with B vitamin sources. If you're a carnist but live on nutrient-poor junk food, I could see nutritional deficiencies entering the mix. I think it's relatively uncontroversial that malnutrition has mental health side effects.

Animals not in factory farms don’t need this supplementation.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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> soy curls TVP, yeah? That stuff is magic, easily my favourite protein source. I can make dishes that blow people away with it

Any recipe in particular you'd be willing to share? I'm interested in expanding my palate.

I'm in the process of writing some up as of the last few weeks -- but the core of it is "just replace any beef in your stir-frys or pasta minces with TVP cooked with a particular technique"

Send me an email (its in my profile) and I'll make sure to send the link to you when I chuck them up on my site in the next week or so?

But in short: rehydrate the TVP with boiling water with a cube or two of beef-style stock. Let it sit for about 5 minutes or so, it should become soft.

Drain it, and really squeeze the stock out of it if you're doing a nice stir-fry or similar; it'll fry better the less water is in it.

In a wok or fry-pan, add half a tablespoon of oil, add the TVP. Crack salt, black and white pepper over them. Don't stir too much to begin with, you want it to brown, almost char in places. Then stir, fry as normal.

Now you can use it to replace most beef protein sources in stir-frys, pasta sauces (if you use the "mince" versions) and so on.

My partner and I have come up with some from-scratch(ish) sauces that go best with it, but it's great even without those. My particular favourite recipes are: "beef" and black bean, Thai basil and chili, bolognaise (which is more like a pomodoro with TVP mince added), soy and garlic stir frys, and some others I'm likely forgetting.

Those are the ones I'm writing up :)

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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An anecdote: I have been 100% carnivore for the past two months. The last vegetable I ate was in August. I’ve eaten 10 grams of carbs in that time period (in the form of vitamin C tablets early on), and zero fiber.

My anxiety levels are subjectively lower, I’ve had fewer instances of insomnia, I’ve lost 20lbs of water + fat weight while maintaining an active lifestyle (standing desk all day + running 20+ miles a week). To be honest, I feel great! Much better than I expected I would going into this experiment. Originally I set out to do this in September and October after knowing someone who did something similar, but I may stay on it, or move to a more keto diet because I miss veggies.

My diet is more fat-heavy than it used to be, and certainly more meat-heavy. I used to eat red meat once or twice a month, versus once or twice a day. The lack of fiber does make for some interesting digestion, but in general it seems I’m producing less waste.

What seems to be the biggest impact is FAT. Getting a lot of fat makes me feel a lot better that day. Ketosis has been great too; I can go for a two hour run, then come home and clean my apartment and run errands without feeling like I’m wrecked all day.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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Many (most?) meat eaters are deficient in nutrients their body needs. The USDA found that only about 3% of people get their daily recommended amount of fiber. Eating meat doesn’t mean you get what your body needs

what diseases are linked to lack of fiber? you have a generous definition of "need". edit: I'm not disputing the benefits of fiber for the average person, but the implied necessity of fiber is just false. Fact: A zero fiber diet is not guaranteed cause disease, whereas essential nutrient deficiencies will cause disease.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/arti...

"Previous studies have linked a higher fibre diet to protection from heart disease, type 2 diabetes, obesity and certain cancers."

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#117
This reminds me of the research on alcohol being good for heart disease. Excerpt from Science Vs:

> Eric found that drinking booze… lowered the men’s risk of a heart attack as much as exercising regularly… Which is bonkers!

> So Kaye’s like: ok… all these studies are showing that those who drink have less heart disease than those who don’t… well have you ever thought… who are these non-drinkers in these studies? Like… what kind of person doesn’t drink anything?

> She started looking into the studies that had been done on people who don’t drink and found something kind of shocking. Generally speaking, they were more likely to be unhealthy.

> The people - who did drink… and then stopped… some scientists call them “sick quitters”... Sounds like a bad burn, but basically means they didn't stop drinking because they were running a triathlon, but because they weren’t well.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

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post #91

I'd say the first big thing to highlight is that correlation is not causation - you wouldn't want someone to take this study as proof that eating meat makes you less depressed. I would imagine that vegans (in particular vegans who chose their diet on ethical grounds) are overall more concerned about the state of the world around them - or are at least subjected to more of an echo-chamber effect from their peers - whi…

> I'd say the first big thing to highlight is A second big thing to highlight is the study disclosure at the bottom of this article. Four of the six authors "have previously received funding from the Beef Checkoff, through the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association."

And there you go.

Re: Meat and mental health: Meat eaters suffer less depression, anxiety

#119

Maybe related: depression related to low fat diets, and thus low amounts of cholesterol in the brain. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/19/ho...

I really wish I could understand this better because it seems important. If I have this straight, BDNF is a thing that makes neurons grow and trk is a thing that tells the neurons they have enough fuel (cholesterol) to grow. So SSRIs are promoting neuron growth to beat depression by tricking it into thinking it has enough fuel to grow, when there probably actually isn’t?
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