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Post by nzmsv »

takahisah wrote: post #100

Ten years ago I was at Infinite Loop, when Apple held a special event in memory of Steve. Everybody was wearing sunglasses to hide their tears, even Tim and Jony. I remember Jonys speech quite vividly as it showed how truly close they were. He joked about how he would never unpack his bags upon arriving at a hotel because Steve would call him and say the hotel is shit so they had to move immediately after checking in…

> He joked about how he would never unpack his bags upon arriving at a hotel because Steve would call him and say the hotel is shit so they had to move immediately after checking in. I think it’s those human connections he made that made him so great.

This is awful, no? There are people like that who can never be pleased. Usually narcissists. I fail to see where the human connection is in being a crybaby Karen.

Not to diminish Jobs' accomplishments, but it's one thing to say "he was a complicated man, achieved a lot but was difficult to deal with" and quite another to being up that story as a positive. That just seems like Stockholm syndrome.

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Post by soperj »

diego_moita wrote: post #110

What I remember the most about Jobs' death are 2 things: 1) Most of the media did an heavy coverage of his death and legacy. 2) Exactly 1 week after his death one of my personal heroes died too: Dennis MacLister Ritchie. Almost no one paid attention. From computers to micro-controllers, from satellites to abs breaks, Ritchie's legacy goes far deeper and wider than Jobs'. Almost every programmer today touches some of…

Dennis Ritchie's book on C is pretty well required reading for anyone going through a computer science program no?

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Post by enraged_camel »

exBarrelSpoiler wrote: post #65
basisword wrote: post #30

This thread reminds me of the last Steve Jobs related thread. So many people bashing Jobs based on stories they’ve read having never met him and knowing little about him. People seem to think they even know his private medical history based on only public reports. So much judgement and criticism and it feels completely unnecessary. It’s the kind of pointless outrage type comments we tend not to find very often on HN,…

What about stories from actual Apple employees? https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=90_Hours_A_Week_... https://venturebeat.com/2011/08/25/michael-dhuey-apple-engin... https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-apple-employee-on-steve-j... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/01/former-apple-employee-guy-ka...

There's no doubt that Jobs was a very polarizing figure, had many negative character traits and made a lot of mistakes throughout his life. For what it's worth, I read his biography and he came across as repentant and apologetic when confronted, especially near the end when he knew he was going to die. He was a brilliant but flawed person, and he was aware of it.

What really rubs me the wrong way is people who refuse to give him credit for his tremendous achievements, and belittle and ridicule him instead.

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Post by AlbertCory »

Zababa wrote: post #21
jedberg wrote: post #9

I think Apple would be an even more interesting company if he were still around. Maybe not as big or as profitable, but certainly more interesting. I wish he hadn't been so strongheaded about herbal remedies and whatnot. He had the more curable kind of cancer, had he taken it seriously earlier. As someone who has lost family to pancreatic cancer, it really upset me to learn that he didn't use his vast resources to do…

Shouldn't people be free to do whatever they want with their own life? I think that if he valued his principles more than his life, he should be free to do so.

Right, OP wasn't suggesting he shouldn't have been free to do what he did. The fact that he changed his mind when it was too late suggested even he knew he'd made a mistake.

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Post by bluedevil2k »

dkonofalski wrote: post #102
bluedevil2k wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you used the new Podcasts app? It can’t even do the fundamental job of a podcast app - “show me the episodes I haven’t listened to yet”

What? There's a toggle to hide episodes you've already listened to. If you have that turned on, it only shows you episodes you haven't listened to yet.

Only on the Latest Episodes page, which doesn’t allow you to group by show. The Downloaded page lets you hide played episodes, but doesn’t hide them for 24 hours (why??). The Shows page … that’s all messed up. You can hide played episodes, but it randomly displays episodes from years past with no possible way to mark them played without first downloading it and then marking it played.

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Post by soperj »

echelon wrote: post #46
basisword wrote: post #30

This thread reminds me of the last Steve Jobs related thread. So many people bashing Jobs based on stories they’ve read having never met him and knowing little about him. People seem to think they even know his private medical history based on only public reports. So much judgement and criticism and it feels completely unnecessary. It’s the kind of pointless outrage type comments we tend not to find very often on HN,…

I'm incredibly thankful for Jobs introducing the personal computer. Computers are devices that we can own and use, not intangible and unreachable academic things. We owe our careers in part to him and his work. At the same time, I'm profoundly upset at his introduction of the App Store and sidelining of the right to repair. Our devices belong to us. We should be able to do with them what we please. It's also incredib…

Woz was introducing people to the personal computer that he built before Jobs even came around.

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Post by sulam »

mod wrote: post #78
throwaway894345 wrote: post #71

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I generally agree, although there are all kinds of issues on iPhone as well. The one that bothers me most often is autocorrect sporadically changing correct English words to nonsense, or the complete inability to select certain bits of text properly (even in Apple apps).

I'm so mad at all the phone keyboards for not having some kind of priority for predictive. And ability to remove words. There's some typos I get consistently and the correction is from a very normal word (probably, for instance) to a really seldom used word (poetically, in this example) and I'd prefer to remove poetically from my dictionary than to keep having it pop up. Repeat this for a couple dozen very common wor…

Sounds like the machine thinks you're writing too prosaically. I'd give in and indulge its flights of fancy.

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Post by m0llusk »

nostromo wrote: post #92
microtonal wrote: post #54

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The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. Mostly on the Mac. The butterfly keyboard and how Apple handled it, were terrible. And macOS quality had gone down release after release. But I have never had any serious software or hardware quality issues with the iPhone, Apple Watch, AirPods or any other products. It seems that they had just lost focus on the Mac…

Mac development started stagnating under Jobs though, once the iPod and then iPhone really took off. It's well known that Jobs was basically bored with the Mac and spent all of his time focusing on the iPhone. This is where having a single visionary in charge of everything (including small decisions) breaks down. There are so many days in the week and you can't be everywhere at once. Cook is the better CEO, and Jobs…

It is not true that Steve Jobs was bored with the Mac. Steve Jobs loved the Mac and would have preferred for it to be at the center. The thing is that Apple nearly died only just a few years before by not selling people what they wanted and by that time what people really expressed desire for using their money was personal devices.

Apple had many problems dealing with processor suppliers over the years and probably would have looked for solutions beyond Intel when they floundered no matter who was at the top.

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Post by AlbertCory »

takahisah wrote: post #100

Ten years ago I was at Infinite Loop, when Apple held a special event in memory of Steve. Everybody was wearing sunglasses to hide their tears, even Tim and Jony. I remember Jonys speech quite vividly as it showed how truly close they were. He joked about how he would never unpack his bags upon arriving at a hotel because Steve would call him and say the hotel is shit so they had to move immediately after checking in…

I heard a Jobs story from someone who shall remain nameless:

They all went out to dinner with Jobs (this was before his return to Apple), eight or more people. Jobs announced that he'd order for everyone, ordered all vegetarian dishes, and then ate nothing himself.

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Post by AlbertCory »

echelon wrote: post #46
basisword wrote: post #30

This thread reminds me of the last Steve Jobs related thread. So many people bashing Jobs based on stories they’ve read having never met him and knowing little about him. People seem to think they even know his private medical history based on only public reports. So much judgement and criticism and it feels completely unnecessary. It’s the kind of pointless outrage type comments we tend not to find very often on HN,…

I'm incredibly thankful for Jobs introducing the personal computer. Computers are devices that we can own and use, not intangible and unreachable academic things. We owe our careers in part to him and his work. At the same time, I'm profoundly upset at his introduction of the App Store and sidelining of the right to repair. Our devices belong to us. We should be able to do with them what we please. It's also incredib…

> "Jobs introducing the personal computer" ??

Um, no. Read some history.

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