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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by happytoexplain »

fridif wrote: post #57
Y_Y wrote: post #2

I kind of get it. Punching someone outside a boxing ring is pretty much always a bad move. A funny video where the funny part seems to be an unsuspecting person getting punched may "encourage violence". (I don't feel this way, but I could understand the reasoning.) The cat is out of the bag on this one though. So much so, that I'd argue the video now has cultural and historical significance that justifies its wanton…

>wanton violence >punching someone outside of a boxing ring I could probably find 100,000 unique instances of violence solely from big Hollywood studios on Youtube as we speak

Fiction and non-fiction are almost universally treated differently.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by happytoexplain »

typon wrote: post #31
Y_Y wrote: post #2

I kind of get it. Punching someone outside a boxing ring is pretty much always a bad move. A funny video where the funny part seems to be an unsuspecting person getting punched may "encourage violence". (I don't feel this way, but I could understand the reasoning.) The cat is out of the bag on this one though. So much so, that I'd argue the video now has cultural and historical significance that justifies its wanton…

There are literally millions of videos of street fights and sucker punches on youtube. Do they really intend to remove every single one of those videos?

They have always removed those that they review, presumably triggered by sufficient reports by users - do you find that unexpected? Unless you're implying that if you can't moderate some threshold percentage of instances of a violation that you should moderate 0% of them, which seems unrealistic, but I've seen people make that argument.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by rozab »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #58

I know people may be desensitized at this point, but if you can't see the correlation with the book 1984's consistent theme of the past and current being scrubbed of "wrongthink" that is thrown down the "memoryhole" to dispose of it, then I think we are all in for a far worse future than we would like.

To explain in a few more words:

1. 1984 is not a religious prophecy. That something has happened which bears some aesthetic similarity to a part of the book is not significant or interesting by itself. If you wish to assert that Google has the power to shape the truth then you will first have to explain why,

2. The video still exists, in a thousand forms, both on YouTube and elsewhere on the internet where YT has no power. If YT wished to scrub it from the site they could do so, but they didn't.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by ggggtez »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #22
revolvingocelot wrote: post #4

This is truly wrong. Far from censorship, this is a field test of memory-holing. Deleting a part of the history of the Internet (yes, this silly little nonsense video is now part of Modern Culture) is a Rubicon I'm shocked YouTube has the temerity to cross. I can't wait to see what more conventional history they'll delete. For now, note the conscious blowing-off, on YouTube's part, of all the re-uploads. Will they al…

Not just history of the internet: Youtube takes down videos of war crimes. Destroying or covering up evidence of war crimes is, itself, a war crime. I'm surprised that Youtube isn't in hot water over that. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170812/01102937985/once-... https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/youtube-ai-deletes-war-cr...

You can just look up their terms of service which I'm fairly sure leave a carve out for news items ...

But you are making an assumption that the average worker (probably from India) making $1 an hour, can tell the difference between newsworthy war crimes, and a snuff film.

I don't think anyone is going to get that right 100% of the time. So no, I don't really see it as a problem.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by gregmac »

derefr wrote: post #90
dylan604 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store all the video content we produce, If you are producing videos at such a rate that you as the producer cannot actually save the content, then maybe you're doing it wrong . If you are producing content for the exclusive use/distribution by a private company that is known to have draconian automated decision making processes, you have to expect tha…

> If you are producing videos at such a rate that you as the producer cannot actually save the content, then maybe you're doing it wrong. You can film 8K video on a smartphone these days… but only about 15 minutes of it before you fill up the phone’s internal storage. If you don’t have a computer with a big hard drive to dump the video off on, you’re basically stuck shoving the video out to “the cloud” and then delet…

While a good point, if the content is important to you, then you should take appropriate measures to back it up.

People should really consider storing their data only on a cloud provider that they don't pay for as equivalent to storing it only on a single USB stick.

Even storing it on a provider you do pay for should be seen as equivalent to storing it on a NAS located in your house/office: it's somewhat protected against hardware failure, but still not "backed up". Instead of fire/theft, your concerns should be account closure/compromise, or the provider just going out of business.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by chongli »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #107
derefr wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are producing videos at such a rate that you as the producer cannot actually save the content, then maybe you're doing it wrong. You can film 8K video on a smartphone these days… but only about 15 minutes of it before you fill up the phone’s internal storage. If you don’t have a computer with a big hard drive to dump the video off on, you’re basically stuck shoving the video out to “the cloud” and then delet…

When you can get 10TB [ EDIT: 4TB ] external drives for around $100, this is totally absurd pathway to take towards "preserving your own culture".

It's more like $300+ dollars but there's another, more important point: hard drives fail. If we're talking about YouTube creators who spend hours producing culturally relevant content, we're going to want a much more robust backup strategy than simply throwing it on an external hard drive.

Is it possible for a home user to build a storage system with high availability and off-site backups? Sure. Will it be affordable and convenient? Extremely unlikely.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by typon »

happytoexplain wrote: post #112
typon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are literally millions of videos of street fights and sucker punches on youtube. Do they really intend to remove every single one of those videos?

They have always removed those that they review, presumably triggered by sufficient reports by users - do you find that unexpected? Unless you're implying that if you can't moderate some threshold percentage of instances of a violation that you should moderate 0% of them, which seems unrealistic, but I've seen people make that argument.

Well that's the problem isn't it? If they are going to use their discretion and apply rules selectively, why not make exceptions for videos that most people don't find distasteful, even if they violate your policy?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by some_random »

Y_Y wrote: post #2

I kind of get it. Punching someone outside a boxing ring is pretty much always a bad move. A funny video where the funny part seems to be an unsuspecting person getting punched may "encourage violence". (I don't feel this way, but I could understand the reasoning.) The cat is out of the bag on this one though. So much so, that I'd argue the video now has cultural and historical significance that justifies its wanton…

The idea that displaying {bad thing} inherently encourages {bad thing} is a dangerous idea imo, and one that comes up time and time again.
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