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Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by makeitdouble »

brodouevencode wrote: post #30
makeitdouble wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is about business running platforms with UGC. While free forums on the darknet might get away with a tad more lax policies, if you’re a registered business hoping to make any money you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way. At the very least it will be to follow your country laws, and more often than not your clients will require you to do so.

Outside of what the law prescribes - because that's a whole different topic with more grey area than not. If it's what the law prescribes then I'm not contending that. > you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way This is the way that moderation has been done in the past 10-15 years, but does it have to be? Why couldn't a platform provide user-level controls over what they see instead of making those decision…

To be clear, just following legal requirements is no simple task in most countries, and it might already require a significant moderation effort depending on how motivated your users are.

> does it have to be?

In most cases moderation is less about what users want or don’t want to see, and more about what you want your platform to be.

For instance people are OK with product suggestions when they go on Amazon, but if your job posting site becomes an endless stream of Amazon links you’ll want to curb that. And perhaps your users find interesting products in all these links, but from your perspective it will kill your business (except if you pivot into becoming a product listing site of course)

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by commandlinefan »

MattGaiser wrote: post #50
baybal2 wrote: post #14

What about not treating users like kiddies needing supervision? I think the Silicone Valley MVP TrendySpeak crowd needs to open eyes to the realities of life. Slashdot is a very peculiar case of near no spam filtering, yet very good user content moderation Kuro5 was also kind of interesting with its old user rating system.

Turn on your ability to see dead comments if it is not on already. Even HN would be a landfill without moderation.

I always read "dead" comments. I believe that many of them should not have been "killed".

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by commandlinefan »

makeitdouble wrote: post #18
brodouevencode wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The author does not make a sufficient case of why content moderation is necessary, and doesn't even touch client-side moderation.

The article is about business running platforms with UGC. While free forums on the darknet might get away with a tad more lax policies, if you’re a registered business hoping to make any money you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way. At the very least it will be to follow your country laws, and more often than not your clients will require you to do so.

The only real argument in favor of moderation is that the platform owner is legally obligated to do so - which could and should be changed.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by wanderingstan »

airstrike wrote: post #97
wanderingstan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I built a Python library for finding strings obfuscated this way. Was critical when moderating our telegram channel before an ICO. https://github.com/wanderingstan/Confusables E.g. "𝓗℮𝐥1೦" would match "Hello"

You should post this to Show HN. Also you have a typo on your README ("characgters")

Thanks, I've fixed the typo! It was such a simple project, hardly seems worthy of a "Show HN".

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by commandlinefan »

unethical_ban wrote: post #104
commandlinefan wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they won't like what a completely moderation free site looks like. So you say, but we've never actually had a chance to see one. We have seen content moderation slippery-slope its way to highly opinionated censorship... every time it's been tried.

This is false. 4chan, some early reddit, voat, and a number of other sites. Moreover, that's the point: it's as i.possible to have a healthy anonymous forum available to the world as it is to have a large society with no laws or government, that isn't dystopian.

> early reddit

Reddit is the best example of why heavy moderation is worse than lack of moderation.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by Alir3z4 »

pier25 wrote: post #91
Alir3z4 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Were they hoping to get non-tech-savvy people that were searching for computer help? Yes. They would create this posts and get quickly on search results (The platform is pretty good for making SEO optimization out of the box) and they would write good quality posts as well. They would also share this posts on some other websites, especially social media accounts. We don't have Google analytics or such to see where…

Why didn't you ban the user when you found out the scam?

We did.

We banned, shadow banned, deleted, recorded and many other things to them to make sure they're not reaching their goal.

The problem was, it wasn't a single user to deal with. thousands and thousands with no stop.

Flooding the platform like zombie apocalypse.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by pier25 »

Alir3z4 wrote: post #116
pier25 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why didn't you ban the user when you found out the scam?

We did. We banned, shadow banned, deleted, recorded and many other things to them to make sure they're not reaching their goal. The problem was, it wasn't a single user to deal with. thousands and thousands with no stop. Flooding the platform like zombie apocalypse.

Jesus... what a nightmare.

Were these all using your free plans?

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by floren »

mooreds wrote: post #52

I agree. My employer has a moderation product (for comments, usernames, etc): https://cleanspeak.com/ I don't work with it much, but from what I can see it's surprisingly complicated to filter out comments quickly without impacting user experience. I guess you know you've succeeded when the pottymouths join your platform :).

Can I say "Scunthorpe" under your platform?

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by dkh »

tomjen3 wrote: post #72
dylanjha wrote: post #2

Hey there :). Author here. It was a fun experiment to play around with some different strategies for adding content moderation to https://stream.new Hive ended up being the one I landed on after trying Google Vision first ( https://cloud.google.com/vision ). The other one I was looking at is Clarity.ai but I didn't get a chance to try that one yet.

One thing that wasn't obvious to me is, why did you care about uploads of NSFW? As I understood it, you want to become Imgur of video. Imgur only became so big because they allowed NSFW stuff.

Not involved with this project, but there's a couple big reasons most would care about this.

* Child porn and similar content that is a level beyond simply "NSFW"

* Uploaders of NSFW stuff are always in need of a new platform they haven't been kicked off yet, and newer platforms are likely to be dominated with this type of content. Unless you want your platform to gain a reputation as the place for mostly NFSW content, you probably don't want this.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by makeitdouble »

derekzhouzhen wrote: post #83

There is no correct way to do the content moderation, so on my website, https://roastidio.us I don't plan to have any. My rules are simple: * you can say whatever you want to say, but only one person, the one you replied to, get to see it other than youself * the one you replied to get to approve whether it can be shown to other people. No further reply is allowed until this one is approved. * Even the one you replie…

Don’t you still have to deal with user reports, repeated spam, stalking, verbal abuse etc. ?

I’d assume a comment being visible to only one person doesn’t completely remove all the user to user issues the other platforms face.

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