Not sure why this is more appealing than Wasabi? As far as I can see, Wasabi is cheaper, has great speeds, fantastic S3 compatibility, their dashboard is a joy to use so what is the actual "special" thing here? I mean sure, it's a good thing to have more competition but the way everyone here is describing the situation makes it seem as if Cloudflare is going to be the cheapest & the best.
Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
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Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#112This is interesting ... For the longest time we tried to convince people that they should have an off-amazon archive of their S3 data ... we even ran an ads to that effect in 2012[1]. The (obvious) reason this isn't compelling is the cost of egress. It's just (relatively) too expensive to offload your S3 assets to some third party on a regular basis. So if R2 is S3 with no egress, suddenly there is a value propositio…
> So if R2 is S3 with no egress, suddenly there is a value proposition again.
Isn't B2 from Backblaze already filling that need? I means more choice is always better for sure, but considering R2 goal seems really to be a CDN more than a backup space and it does feel like their money maker is in the CDN part, not the storage part... I feel like trusting them to store it long-term without using the CDN part is a little bit risky.
Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#113Interesting pricing considering Backblaze is another Bandwidth Alliance member and they only charge $0.005/GBmonth (vs. $0.015/GBmonth). B2 + CloudFlare gives you a similar deal at a third the cost.
I recently started keeping about 30TB of ElasticSearch and Postgres backups in Backblaze B2. The price is great, but getting data in is not particularly easy as the Backblaze S3 API seems to fail a high proportion of requests when under load. If R2 can be approximately as reliable on ingest as AWS/GCS/Azure is, but without the egress fees of the other major providers, then $0.015/GB-month seems like a pretty good dea…
B2 really is an exercise in making sure your code is robust with respect to external APIs but I'll be damned if it isn't cheap. We ended up building a whole queueing system for it because ad-hoc retry logic stopped being good enough.
Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#114Not sure why this is more appealing than Wasabi? As far as I can see, Wasabi is cheaper, has great speeds, fantastic S3 compatibility, their dashboard is a joy to use so what is the actual "special" thing here? I mean sure, it's a good thing to have more competition but the way everyone here is describing the situation makes it seem as if Cloudflare is going to be the cheapest & the best.
1 - Their portfolio is bigger. Making it easier for existing clients to adopt. Eg. Why a lot of companies use AWS.
This product seems a good fit for their cloudflare workers.
2 - Cloudflare is going heavy on egress costs. Which they have a lot of extra opportunity costs, comparible to the big 3 cloud providers and they are putting their "weight" in good use:
https://blog.cloudflare.com/bandwidth-alliance-charges-forwa...
Egress/ingress costs is also important for pricing fyi.
3 - Cloudflare has a known good reputation for their services ( eg. Uptime and costs) + an active community. ( Eg. Check their blog )
Tbh. I didn't knew Wasabi, will check them out though.
4 - Their datacenters are at the edge. Hard to compete on that physical advantage in terms of speed.
Ps. Yes, I could be considered a fan, similar to AMD in the past ( still do fyi).
Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#115Not sure why this is more appealing than Wasabi? As far as I can see, Wasabi is cheaper, has great speeds, fantastic S3 compatibility, their dashboard is a joy to use so what is the actual "special" thing here? I mean sure, it's a good thing to have more competition but the way everyone here is describing the situation makes it seem as if Cloudflare is going to be the cheapest & the best.
Wasabi is actually pretty great. +1 on this.
Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
But to clarify it _does_ apply to B2?
You may use Cloudflare Pages and Workers (whether in conjunction with a storage offering such as Cloudflare Workers KV and Durable Objects or not) to serve HTML content as well as non-HTML content (e.g., image files, audio files) other than video files. See: https://www.cloudflare.com/supplemental-terms/ § Cloudflare Pages and Cloudflare Workers® The said limitation should apply however to their tranditional service…
So the gray area comes from an exception being granted from R2 not specified in that linked page. R2, like B2 is part of Cloudflare's bandwidth alliance, so is the unwritten exception for R2 or for the bandwidth alliance?
Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#117Impressive carve-out in the object storage market.
Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#118> R2 is designed with redundancy across a large number of regions for reliability. We plan on starting from automatic global distribution and adding back region-specific controls for when data has to be stored locally, as described above. Does that mean automatic caching across regions? Low-latency read access everywhere without an extra CDN in front of it?
Hey, PM for R2 here. We're still deciding on how we want to handle caching. We integrate with Workers, so manually caching is always possible. The catch is we're currently building for strong consistency - if we added a cache in front, we'd weaken that - so it will likely be a configuration option we add later.
I'm more interested in eventually consistent with low latency. Please add this setting ASAP :)
Re: Cloudflare R2 storage: Rapid and reliable object storage, minus the egress fees
#119This is really a game changer for storage. Well done Cloudflare. How will other providers respond to this now? AWS, GC, and others do not really pay for egress charges themselves. Those super high egress charges are pretty ridiculous.
Yes and I hope this will force AWS & co to end this egress madness
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#120This is fantastic. This + workers has so much potential to shake up the market of serverless compute!