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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by criley2 »

pacifist wrote: post #81
Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

Why would you want advertisers? Advertisers are part of the problem.

People expecting content for free is the Original Sin. Advertisers are just a side effect of peoples unwillingness to pay for their content.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by tomxor »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #85
Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. If we want good content und independence from YouTube, perhaps it is time to see, that it might cost us a tiny bit of money each month, to uphold our freedom. One rented server can easily support many users, each of those can chip in to finance renting the server. It can be done trans…

> That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model.

This is the answer to so much of what's wrong with the modern web. We need less business and to get more communities back into the center of the web... it should be even easier today since IaaS is so much cheaper, I think it's just a focus problem, nothing is relevant to the big sites that act as the lens to the web unless it's directly pumping money somewhere.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by milkytron »

criley2 wrote: post #111
pacifist wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want advertisers? Advertisers are part of the problem.

People expecting content for free is the Original Sin. Advertisers are just a side effect of peoples unwillingness to pay for their content.

People expect content for free because advertising has allowed it. It didn't start that way.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by mattl »

the_third_wave wrote: post #110
mattl wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we get good content from a platform that is explicitly copyleft? Will the vast majority of creators use this even as a backup?

> How do we get good content from a platform that is explicitly copyleft? The same way we get good software from a ´community´ which is explicitly copyleft. > Will the vast majority of creators use this even as a backup? The best way to use platforms like Peertube and Odysee is by using it as a primary source, with Youtube and Vimeo essentially playing the role of CDN. Should the censors not like your video for $reas…

I think that’s a bad idea because I don’t want people to think watching video on a computer is okay.

Video (movies) should be enjoyed on a big screen with a good screen.

These platforms should give creators a way to prohibit viewing on small screens, Linux, etc.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by criley2 »

The primary motivation of most creators is to make money. What is PeerTube paying per view? 0$?

Why would any creator spend all that time and money making content to give away for free? Do you give away your daily work for free? They can easily use something like Patreon or one of the many pay-only tube sites if they're giving up on ads and asking for donations/subscriptions/etc.

I mean, I'm not against the idea, it just seems to fundamentally misunderstand why creators choose youtube. If Youtube paid $0/1000 views... the majority of the top 1000 creators would be gone overnight.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by criley2 »

milkytron wrote: post #113
criley2 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People expecting content for free is the Original Sin. Advertisers are just a side effect of peoples unwillingness to pay for their content.

People expect content for free because advertising has allowed it. It didn't start that way.

I mean, radio and TV were free OTA for decades. I don't know what you want to call the "start" of content, but ad-supported free models have been around for a very long time.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by hendersoon »

belorn wrote: post #101
zelphirkalt wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way people could start is by uploading content on both, Youtube and a PeerTube instance and mention their PeerTube content in YouTube videos. This way they also create a kind of online backup, in case YouTube's algorithms decide to take them down.

If I am remembering right from linus tech tips, they are not allowed to try get viewers to go to an other platform. The are some ways one can indirect reference other platforms, but videos intended to get people off youtube is basically not allowed.

Linus and co founded Floatplane, which is explicitly another platform competing with YouTube. It isn't very successful, but they certainly did it.

https://www.floatplane.com/

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by dvdkon »

belorn wrote: post #101
zelphirkalt wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way people could start is by uploading content on both, Youtube and a PeerTube instance and mention their PeerTube content in YouTube videos. This way they also create a kind of online backup, in case YouTube's algorithms decide to take them down.

If I am remembering right from linus tech tips, they are not allowed to try get viewers to go to an other platform. The are some ways one can indirect reference other platforms, but videos intended to get people off youtube is basically not allowed.

Wasnt't that Twitch? They talk about Floatplane on YT often enough.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by spijdar »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #102
belorn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I am remembering right from linus tech tips, they are not allowed to try get viewers to go to an other platform. The are some ways one can indirect reference other platforms, but videos intended to get people off youtube is basically not allowed.

Oh my, I did not even know that. That's so toxic. Shouldn't that fall under some kind of monopoly law?

There are a number of prominent YouTubers who advertise their own alternative platforms fairly regularly, if "indirectly". There are also videos about LTT's own video service Floatplane on YouTube [0]

I'm guessing that either there's some clause in the YouTube partner/adsense program saying you can't just redirect your viewers elsewhere or you can't upload videos with the sole purpose of saying "go here for more videos".

That said, I'd be interested to see the details of what GP was talking about, because I believe it exists, I just wonder what the exacts are.

[0] https://youtu.be/oOOOfZWXPu4

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