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Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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It’s not the same, but majes me remember a question: im really ugly and with an ugly body by magazine standards. If i want to model, but they dont hire me because im not tall enough or good looking, is it discrimination?

Yes it is, but discrimination itself is not illegal.

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I think this is a poorly sourced and not a reliably fact checked article.

This is at least the 2nd time on HN that a report has suggested Ashley Gjovik was complaining about "toxic chemicals at work". The previous article referred to something published at "The Verge" - "her office is in an Apple building located on a superfund site" https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/9/22666049/apple-fires-senio...>

Other published articles (and I believe is likely the truth) indicate that the toxic chemical issues were related to her personal living space https://sfbayview.com/2021/03/i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apart...>

The nytimes ought to be very embarrassed about this stupid error.

I note that the personal toxic superfund site issues were previously discussed on HN.

I am also somewhat confused about the persona of "Cher Scarlett". I do not think it is a real identity. I also have some serious doubts if they, or their alter ego, is actually employed at Apple. Reputable journalists could actually verify this with employment and tax records -- journalists would actually have to do the necessary due diligence.

Twitter suggests that "Cher Scarlett" is located in Seattle. (This would make them a remote worker for Apple). Also seemingly making quite a lot of tweets. When does this person do any work for Apple? Is this person the reason why Apple isn't responding to Security reports and the bug bounty program?

After reading many tweets I am failing to detect any comprehension of, or demonstration of, a computer security "mindset" -- something that, in my experience, does tend to manifest itself in the personality of security folks over extended periods of time.

I am unable to determine what sort of security role this person has.

I am not suggesting any malice or ill will towards "Cher Scarlett". I am trying to present this as a technical analysis.

In summary, I really question if "Cher Scarlett" is actually a real person in they way they are presenting themselves to be.

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Literally, nothing is unreasonable for Apple. They're among the richest companies on the planet. I'm over Corporate Equity and treating them the same as the mom & pop grocery store down the street. Yeah, it'd be unreasonable for small businesses. Its not unreasonable for Apple. Tim Cook could personally , out of his own salary, pay the salaries of every Apple employee in New York. He could give them all a 200% raise,…

You don't actually know Tim Cook's salary, do you? Please stop pretending that you do. Hint: the vast majority of his compensation is, and has always been, via stock grants.

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> They haven't had anything new in 10 years I dunno, their new M1 silicon is pretty dope. Airpod Pros are the most recent thing I bought from them and they're a pleasure to use every day. They're not at the same level of innovation that they were 10 years ago, but they're also not at zero.

I guess I am more disappointed by their lack of self-awareness and tendency to hype up really small things. Removing headphone jack, choosing lightning cable instead of usb-c, removal of fingerprint sensor in favor of much inferior face ID and largely incremental updates to iPhones over the past few years, I am not sure they are the same company they once were. I feel quite uncomfortable watching their keynotes loade…

Now you’re jumping from Apple not doing anything new in 10 years to a huge number of changes and developments Apple made over the last 10 years. Which is it?

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I think the downvoting is because you mentioned "welfare state", and people demand more welfare hate you to say that. But thankfully downvoting is limited now.

> thankfully downvoting is limited now How is it limited?

I think the max(min) is -4.

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People who work at very rich companies get very, very spoiled.

I was in Apple R&D for four years (during that period after Jobs left and before he returned). No one was hungry, few people I met were ambitious. I left mainly because they decided to treat software testers as second class citizens, and had no interest in supporting my attempts to innovate in the testing realm. I went to Borland, where morale was high and everyone wanted to beat Microsoft (until they gave up and basically bought our team).

The weird thing is that Apple worked really hard training its managers about the law and about good management practices in those days. I suspect they still do. I suspect that it has simply been overwhelmed by youngsters who expect mommy and daddy to fix everything up for their maximum comfort.

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These shadow IT attempts surface all the time through a vaguely competent SecOps’ team daily work, especially insider threat. Gets bragged about or picked up via MDM or DNS queries. So ya in this case the rule comes with easy enforcement.

Your comment raised some questions for me: * Just curious, how do you enforce against, for example, a Facebook group? Would you have to totally block Facebook? * With word of mouth an activist Slack workspace can take off on personal devices over cellular data, if the conditions are right. Is the idea of internal enforcement just to make it less convenient to participate? * Why don’t activists use Blind to organize?…

To preface, “insider threat” is a bit of a harsh way to name the program this behavior falls under- it also covers “good” employees behaving in non-malicious but mistaken ways that will harm a company. Also, all work-related actions taking place off work devices gets covered under an AUP. So heading into this, Apple has both the program and policy to enforce a few different legal/HR actions against employees who’d go this route.

With insider threat, the idea isn’t to force the behavior into concealed channels, but instead into “cleartext” channels where the data exfil, or I guess in this case subversive employee behavior, can be watched/snapshotted. Once that’s done, it goes over to HR/legal. So it’s not so much make it inconvenient to participate, but to make it easy to catch that participation is occurring, with some safeguards around what that participation is - chatter is ok, but have safeguard for Apple intellectual property landing in that activist slack.

So with FB and Blind, a company has two ways to ID that’s occurring, take evidence,nand then over to HR /Legal it goes.

If it occurs on work computers, one is device management tools like Forcepoint that allow an insider threat team to see your real time action. They see the employee going to this Slack/Blind, insider threat team starts taking artifacts, and that’s evidence. Other device mgmt tools aren’t as invasive, but achieve similar ends. All in all, regardless of the forum, the behavior can get caught, and it’s shipped to HR.

If all of the activism occurs off work computers, I’d bet the behavior gets caught by two ways. One, 3rd party vendors who scan social media/GitHub for company branding existing outside of company channels (so on FB “Apple Activist Group” would fire). Two, and more likely, is the activists suck at OPSEC because Bob or Susan from marketing who join the group but computers are Google-machines to them talk about it on work devices or the water cooler/Slack.

Gotta remember a place like Apple has insider threat programs dealing with industrial/corporate espionage. A bunch of pissed off activist employees trying to sneak around aren’t the same challenge. If Apple did have an employee activist group with ironclad OPSEC, Apple prob has big problems and those employees need to balance how important the cause is and why can’t they just talk about it to mgmt vs how that would look from the outside to a company/law enforcement.

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I really don't have time to read the whole article. One of my closest friends worked right down the hall from Jobs and knew him on a first name basis. He said, and I quote, "he fucked up the raising of my kids with his reality distortion field. If I saw him coming down the hall I'd turn around and go the other way thinking "I don't want to talk to that mother fucker today, he's just going to mess up my life". Another one of my good friends, a Stanford Masters ME, has a daughter that briefly worked for Apple (Stanford grad as well). She left when she got shit for going home for dinner when she had the flu.

I'm embedded in the Apple universe, but I hate the company and what it has done to Silicon Valley.

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> Richard Dahan, who is deaf, said he had struggled at his former job at an Apple Store in Maryland for six years because his manager refused to provide a sign-language interpreter for him to communicate with customers, which federal law requires under some circumstances. This just doesn't seem like a reasonable accommodation for a retail job. Your whole job is to communicate with the customers. If you need to hire a…

It's a form of inclusion that might not be perfectly efficient as you point out but greatly improves lives of people with disabilities.

Then society should pay for it directly.
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