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On YouTube’s recommendation system

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Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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Can we get a button to stop recommending videos that have already been watched? On the front page out of 12 videos listed, I've already seen 7 of them and have no need to watch them again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28569079

> 2. If you have set your history to expire after some amount of time, it will start re-recommending videos you've already seen once it has forgotten you have watched them.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#112
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The reccomendation system is absolutely dangerous. Just this summer, I watched one video on peppers out of curiousity. By the end of summer I've got multiple different varieties growing, and all the accessories to support them. I'm really enjoying my garden, but it's very unlikely I would have started one without the youtube algorithm. Similarly my doctor reccomended I exercise more, so I started running. Then I goog…

It's a consumption-driven economy, where those who are economically useless are driven out of the game.

this is the best one-liner here all week +++

me: art, philosophy, religion, culture -- avidly

me on youTube: Rizin/UFC re-runs, live concerts of commercially successful bands, D&D themed games

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#113

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Yeah, but then Youtube thinks, "He hates that channel!", rather than, "He doesn't want to rewatch old videos." I keep getting old furniture restoration videos in my feed. I've seen them already. How about different channels on the same topic with new videos posted?

When you select not interested, it gives the option of saying it's either because you already watched the video or that you don't like the channel. I don't know quite why they keep recommending videos I've watched recently, but at least telling YouTube I've seen a video (...) prevents it from spamming my recommendations.

> I don't know quite why they keep recommending videos I've watched recently

You probably don't have kids.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#114
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Visit in incognito mode and don't sign in. Brand new, fresh youtube, ready to be corrupted again.

I've found YouTube's defaults for a lightly-used profile (my work Google account) tend to be like Charlie Kirk/Ben Shapiro owning the libs type garbage.

Pretty sure that comes and goes.

Comes, because statistically those youtubers are able to latch on to some viewers and this drives engagement. I believe some of that has been pay-to-win stuff, where the youtubers actively advertised and paid directly for engagement. Some of those folks are subsidized by outsiders.

Goes, because YouTube knows from studying its own business that they're capable of driving more engagement by turning people into video-obsessed alt-right Nazis. And if it's too obvious, they'll be called on it, or actively punished as a platform over essentially selling themselves out as a propaganda bullhorn to whoever's able to pay.

That being the alt-right Nazis, and those who fund them.

So it goes back and forth. YouTube doesn't always do this. It does as much of this as it possibly can, but is systemically aware that running with it causes other problems, and dials it back to stay out of trouble (and because some of the people minding the algorithms are not, themselves, alt-right Nazis).

YouTube always wants to find an algorithmic answer for everything, and is not afraid to go meta and look at larger contexts for what they do. It's a google thing. So they want, and don't want, the 'own the libs' paid-for content. It's both simple capitalism, and looking at it on a larger systemic level where there are risks to allowing their ad buys to stoke outright revolution of the country YouTube is based in.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#115
Just please give me some options!

I want to be able to select exploration/discovery vs sticking with familiar grounds.

It boggles my mind that there are zero explicit user settings and the only option is somehow game the recommendation system.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#116
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I'm sorry that you're in this painful situation. Personally I don't think the root problem is YouTube — rather, it's your parents' confirmation bias. They want to believe these things. I've watched Alex Jones videos myself. I did not leave wanting more and no recommendation algo could change that. (Lest I leave the wrong impression, the same is true of AOC going live on IG.)

> Personally I don't think the root problem is YouTube — rather, it's your parents' confirmation bias. They want to believe these things. The thing is, most people, including likely you and me, have some defect. Some aspect of constructing a "good" society[1] is setting up systems to counter the effect of these defects. If you have a system that fosters a person's defects, it is fair to be critical of it. Or put a si…

but in your analogy, there is both positive and negative news about white and non-white people.

the reader just goes to the sections for positive news about white people and negative news about non-whites. He tears up the rest.

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Is it not like one goes to breakfast at his local diner, and every day, eats a plateful of bacon. Should the server knowing his patterns take away his bacon?

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#117
When I open youtube, 10 of the 12 videos displayed are ones I've already watched. 1 is a live steam, and one is from a channel I subscribe to. The non-viewed video is recommended to me frequently, but I've never had any interest in clicking on it. What possible "system" could they be using to come up with this being the best 12 videos to show me?

FWIW: I pay for youtube music, which comes with youtube premium included so I don't get ads, but the recommendation system is pretty much useless.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#118

That's a lot of text just to bury the question "why does Youtube never ever stop shoving literal Nazis onto my front page all the time?" a thousand words down and then... not answer it.

They pay to be seen. Several different entities have a reason to fund that.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#119

I hate how it has now started slipping Hollywood movies into my recommendation feed. All of a sudden i'm seeing the credits on a 2 hour movie after watching a 15 minute UrbanX video. NO YOUTUBE, BAD. If I wanted to watch shitty movies I wouldn't be on YouTube.

In general I hate how YouTube is now filled with videos from high production studios. And most of these aren't even full-length episodes, but rather ~2 minute excerpts. I miss the old YouTube when most content was produced by individuals.

> I miss the old YouTube when most content was produced by individuals.

“Old YouTube” was mostly full Simpsons episodes before they got taken down

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#120

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It's sad because I remember being able to find new and interesting creators passively. Now the main page is all corporate BS and the algorithm locks you in. We played a bit of WOW Classic last year and all of a sudden I was just flooded with Asmongold videos and videos of people clipping and replaying Asmongold. It took a day of "never show this again" to make it stop.

What corporate stuff do you have on your main page? Mine is all pretty much filled with content that matches what I watch.

This seems pretty tautological. What you watch will reflect your reccomendations because there is a causal relationship there, unless you never use youtube for discovery. I alledge that what people spend time watching is more heavily shaped by reccomendations than they are aware of.
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