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United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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That’s…not terrible? Getting broadband in rural America is rough, and the permissive atmosphere for monopolistic behavior by ISPs is maddening. Pricing for internet access is way worse than in East Asia or western and central Europe. Some folks can’t get real broadband at all, and they’re disproportionally lower down on the socioeconomic spectrum. That’s not fair. These issues are real. But overall, 12th sounds…prett…

It's shockingly good. I'm actually very proud of this statistic. Most won't see material difference between 200mbps vs #1 spot of 250mbps. It's negligible. However. I think there's a rather huge sampling bias, because the data is gathered from people who come to Speedtest.com to run the test.

>I think there's a rather huge sampling bias, because the data is gathered from people who come to Speedtest.com to run the test.

Any sampling bias would apply to all countries, not just the US.

Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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What is wrong with being 12th? The numbers all look pretty massive anyway and my 70Mb/s is fast enough for me to work from home and stream video.

>What is wrong with being 12th?

It's more that people are outraged by the US being 12th, because they have it engrained into their heads that US's broadband is in 100th place or something. They thus come up with nonsense like "selection bias" as excuses for why their presuppositions must be right and Speedtest is wrong.

Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Size doesn't matter though, I think the measure you're looking for is population density and perhaps terrain (thinking of Switzerland's mountains here).

Population density and terrain are important factors as well. Including those two other factors on top of size actually supports my argument further. The United States is significantly larger, less dense, and has a wider range of terrain/elemental conditions (ie. mountains, wetlands, deserts, forests, etc.). The fact that the United States ranks this high with these un-optimal conditions is again rather good. And to…

> your point that size does not matter is incorrect. Size certainly does matter. It is more cost effective to service a small region of land where high amounts of people are concentrated

Size as a standalone statistic does not matter. You're correct in this quote but it contradicts your earlier point: you earlier put it forth as a separate metric with that land area tool to compare different countries without looking at population at all. I would explain it further but I think we're on the same page, just not sure what makes you think what I wrote is incorrect.

Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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1 Singapore 262.20 2 Hong Kong (SAR) 254.40 3 Monaco 242.89 4 Switzerland 222.00 5 Thailand 221.00 6 Romania 217.91 7 South Korea 216.67 8 Denmark 216.13 9 Chile 209.83 10 France 201.61 11 Hungary 201.55 12 United States 199.00 First of all, Singapore, Hong Kong and Monaco really can't be compared to the US. Two of them are wealthy city-states and Monaco is very small (and wealthy). Once you get to #4 Switzerland, th…

> but % of people with, say, reliable connections Agreed. It's hard to really know how useful these stats are. First, who are the people using speedtest.net? I'd assume there is some kind of bias in the person using speedtest.net. But also, if you can't get any broadband, does that count against the stats? Second, what's the distribution? Is it some people with 10Gbps+ and then some with 1Mbps? Third, how is upload f…

If these are averages, then they are most likely skewed by outliers. I want to know the median values, and various interesting percentiles, like 5th, 25th, 75th, 95th, 98th, 99th, etc….

Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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> they should treat it like Texas treats its grid like garbage that falls apart when people actually need to use it? or like a regressive money funnel to line the pockets of an oligarchical captured regulatory body? texas' power grid is not a goal any serious advocate can advance as doing anything right.

If you're referring to the 100 year winter freeze, yes maybe it should have been winterized, and they are now, but that's not what I'm talking about. Maybe all California homes should have A/C for these heat waves. Sometimes it doesn't make sense economically. I'm talking about having a transmission provider and having ISPs compete on the same lines. It keeps prices down (unless you tricked into buying variable whole…

Uh, no. The Texas grid is not winterized now.

They’ve pledged to start work thinking about doing something, sometime soon, maybe.

That’s about as far as they’ve gotten.

Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Population density and terrain are important factors as well. Including those two other factors on top of size actually supports my argument further. The United States is significantly larger, less dense, and has a wider range of terrain/elemental conditions (ie. mountains, wetlands, deserts, forests, etc.). The fact that the United States ranks this high with these un-optimal conditions is again rather good. And to…

> your point that size does not matter is incorrect. Size certainly does matter. It is more cost effective to service a small region of land where high amounts of people are concentrated Size as a standalone statistic does not matter. You're correct in this quote but it contradicts your earlier point: you earlier put it forth as a separate metric with that land area tool to compare different countries without looking…

Ah, yes. I see what you mean. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I think we are on the same page.

Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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I think the issue is that the problem is being generalized into a 'one size fits all' sort of problem. When the issue is a bunch of items. Rural is an issue. But so is duopolies. So is poor competition. In the year 2000 I could pick from 20-30 different ISPs. Now I can pick from basically 3. Woe unto you if those 3 decide it is going to cost you 20k just to do a hook up or just say 'not available' even though all of…

That's because the government forced Bell/AT&T phone lines to be leasable by other companies. Cable and fiber lines are _not_ required to have that kind of competition, which is why Comcast often delivers the only high-speed connection in a suburban area and can price gouge you.

Cable had that for a small time. But I think maybe 2 other companies actually did it. It is a mess and a lot of it I suspect is as you suspect. I think DSL lines had the same thing for awhile too but that got removed as well.

Re: United States Broadband speed ranks 12th according to SpeedTest Global Index

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That’s…not terrible? Getting broadband in rural America is rough, and the permissive atmosphere for monopolistic behavior by ISPs is maddening. Pricing for internet access is way worse than in East Asia or western and central Europe. Some folks can’t get real broadband at all, and they’re disproportionally lower down on the socioeconomic spectrum. That’s not fair. These issues are real. But overall, 12th sounds…prett…

>Those top ten spots will always be filled by nations with highly concentrated, relatively wealthy populations. Romania, Thailand and Chile is top 10...

Chile is not a counter example. Almost all the population lives in the middle third of the country, and even then the Santiago area is drastically more dense.
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