I loved Firefox and I still believe it is the best bastion for a free web, though that view has been slowly fading. Years and years of user hostile moves (drastic UI changes, breaking am entire generation of addons) have really hurt the brand IMHO. And this PR just feels hollow.
Firefox Browser: best for a free web
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Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web
#112The fact alone that FF is the best-optimized browser for uBlock Origin makes it an easy choice for me. It's interesting to me that many of my favorite/most used web technologies in the past decade or so have come from individual, non-profit developers just trying to make something useful, free and flying in the face of a lot of legal and industry norms (e.g., gorhill, elbakyan). In my experience, these tend to work b…
Tor isn't built from FF, AFAIAA (TorBrowser is though).
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are complaining about Mozilla, not the open source product they make. Edit: I’m HN-wrong, best type
I wish this distinction were more common, in general. We all have opinions that are bound to disagree with some people. We can also still make cool things that are a net-benefit.
Tusky (an open-source mastodon client) has (or had, I hope) an integrated blacklist that prevents its users from accessing certain instances the developers find distasteful.
Mozilla could implement a similar feature to block portions of the web, or particular content, or add a feature that pro-actively fact-checked page content.
I still use a firefox fork, because it isn't chromium. But I won't be surprised if Mozilla decides to go a similar route to Tusky based on their espoused values.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, it's not productive to throw the baby out with the bathwater because you might not like the politics or management of Mozilla as an organization. Like it or not, Firefox is the last free browser and needs support from people who care about a free Internet.
I think we're eventually going to see more DAO's focused on purely FOSS where their members can pool some resources and autocompound their treasury in a decentralized overcollateralized lending protocol to fund core operations and free ourselves from some of these centralized foundations desires.
That sounds pretty darn cool. Are there any per-cursors or early examples of this today?
Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web
#115More like: "Firefox Browser: 1. It is not google. 2. It's not a Chrome fork maintained by potentially flaky/untrustworthy players. 3. uBlock Origin. 4. Multi-Account Containers."
5. Very keyboard-friendly 6. Incredibly customizable via CSS, including multiple rows of tabs
5b. Keybinds can’t be changed
Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web
#116Are the three headline features important to you? They are: - Picture in Picture - Expanded Dark Mode - DNS over HTTPs I really like Firefox, but features like this are not going to cause people to switch browsers. I'm pretty sure most end users would never even notice them. DNS over HTTPs is actually a bit of a pain if you want to host your own DNS.
Is DoH really that that important right now? Your ISP can still see the domain you're connecting to via SNI. Until encrypted SNI (eSNI) arrives it doesn't seem like a big win for privacy.
But it seems like Cloudflare is working on it https://blog.cloudflare.com/encrypt-that-sni-firefox-edition...
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which part of that article advocates for censorship?
Other than the title? How about "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation." Not to mention what immediately follows, advocating for something beyond this in the future: "This is how we can begin to do that." Looking forward to the silently installed browser extension that hides search results and social media posts that they don't want you to see. (related: https://www.cnet.com/tech/…
Amplifying content in algorithmic news feeds is hardly censorship. Anything Facebook did would be counter to the usual forces that amply divisive (engaging) content.
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#118What is the Firefox business model? ...Oh yeah, that's right, indirect subsidies from Google
Besides, there's only one mainstream browser that's better than Chrome, and that browser is Edge
Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish brave forked ff… i guess i'll be working of my own fork of ff for the end of time for my family, going on 6 years or so now lol
I think people are forking Chrome because it’s better code, but I might be wrong. I have only seen the code of Chrome and it’s very Google-like C++, with truly enormous codebase. Even Chrome did not fork Firefox back in the day and forked Safari. Electron did not use Firefox either.
> I think people are forking Chrome because it’s better code, but I might be wrong.
I'm going to go with the latter, but at best this is debatable and highly subjective depending on what matters to you.
> I have only seen the code of Chrome and it’s very Google-like C++, with truly enormous codebase.
I don't know where you are going with this; FF is a large code base too, uses servo (rust) and c++.
> Even Chrome did not fork Firefox back in the day and forked Safari.
> Electron did not use Firefox either.
Good for them? Never been interested in chrome/chromium or electron based apps.
I had always wondered why since Brendan Eich came from mozilla, forking from it and going their own way would be natural for them (imo), highly doubt that all of a sudden all the stuff he worked with for years became crap overnight and the decision was probably more political than anything, but who knows, just baseless speculation on my part.
Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web
#120Firefox: We're the "best for a free web". Also Firefox: We support internet censorship. (source: CEO of Mozilla, link: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... )
Which part of that article advocates for censorship?
Did you even read the title? It advocates for drowning out opposition based on what they believe "is true". Everyone thinks they are right. If you don't respect the right of those you disagree with to speak, functionally, you don't respect any freedom of speech.