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Re: How factories were made safe

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Navigation isn't the issue, it's people texting.

If navigation isn't the issue, why can't people use Android Auto/CarPlay? I don't think they allow texting.

Ah, sorry, I guess my op wasnt clear, but that was my intent

Re: How factories were made safe

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I didn't? I opined web browser "manufacturers" should be liable, like airplane manufacturers. That seems certain to me. Whether automatic liability makes sense, as argued in OP about workplace safety, is less certain, but probably yes. Many zero days are triggered by just clicking a link. For such cases, it is hard to argue one is operating it wrong.

Computers can't be compared to airplanes because computers operate in an adversarial environment whereas airplanes don't. A computer crashing because of a specially crafted malicious request isn't really comparable to a plane dropping out of the sky. Consider another product that operate in an adversarial environment: locks. Should lock manufacturers be liable if their locks were pickable?

Occasionally they do (e.g. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17). Of course, no one would blame Boeing for that.

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It used to. The auto lobby got rid of it. Did it come back at some point?

Google tells me it does; I checked before posting my original comment. Can you find anything that says otherwise?

PA is apparently kind of weird: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/pennsylvania-no-faul...

Also, "No Fault" doesn't cover vehicle damage. Apparently, this is what I was remembering. It changed when I lived in Pennsylvania (that was quite a while ago).

Re: How factories were made safe

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Most of what you describe could've been accomplished with sufficiently advanced telegraphy, optical media, and mechanical transport. Untenably expensive, but doable with 19th century tech. The idea of "timeshifting" TV has been around since at least the '60s, Jeannie paused live TV one time so they wouldn't miss the game. But yeah, there's been innovation in "TV," though I suspect you're actually talking about videos…

> Most of what you describe could've been accomplished with sufficiently advanced telegraphy, optical media, and mechanical transport. Untenably expensive, but doable with 19th century tech. But it wasn't, which is the whole point

There's no reason to think telegraphs, physical media, and mechanical transport wouldn't have continued to scale and improve, merging in typewriters, punch cards (following Jacquard and Hollerith), CRTs, etc. As well as, say, high quality, "pro-sumer" sewing machines, machining tools, woodworking tools, etc. You know, the means of production.

Instead, analog technologies were strategically deprecated and phased out in favor of more easily surveillable digital alternatives, under the guise of "efficiency," in terms of energy and performance. Once a central network was put in place, innovation outside the network, in what we used to call the "real world," mostly stopped. It's all been fancier and fancier network protocols, applications, and appliances.

Everything is "smart," but under someone else's control. And the means of production are more centralized than ever.

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