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Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by jrochkind1 »

sdevonoes wrote: post #106

IMHO, I think everyone here is missing the big point: all these "features" are being pushed to the web because A/B tests say so. The usual way things go is: - option 1: don't add feature X - option 2: add feature X - option 3: add feature X slightly modified So, since option 1 is not an option at all (businesses want to grow; they don't want "stable software", they want to push features live every sprint), then lean…

So you're basically telling us they do it to make money, and they're not wrong, it works to make money? I don't think that actually comes as a shock to anyone!

My favorite scene in the movie Sorry To Bother You:

- See? It's all just a big misunderstanding.

- This ain't no fucking misunderstanding, man! So, you making half-human, half-horse fucking things so you can make more money?

- Yeah, basically. I just didn't want you to think I was crazy. That I was doing this for no reason. Because this isn't irrational.

- Oh. Cool. Alright. Cool. No, I understand. I just I just got to leave now, man. So, please get the fuck out of my way.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by G3rn0ti »

pupdogg wrote: post #13

How did we get here? Does any and everything ultimately get absorbed by the marketing department?

Because maintaining web sites and services cost money. And making money on the web is still non-trivial. That’s because the only way to make money is either by the subscription model or by the add revenue model. Since nobody likes to pay for many subscriptions in parallel, the add revenue model is the dominating one.

If there was an easy micro-payment solution on the web this could make it more accessible and enjoyable again. This what the web3 movement is all about: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/what-is-web3.

With in-browser cryptographic wallets like Metamask, Ethereum‘s proposed token economy and the current generation of „Dapps“ we got quite a bit closer to that vision. Web3 has the added benefit to eradicate the need for password managers because your public key becomes your identity.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by austincummings »

croes wrote: post #60

Web development and it's tools are often a top topic on HN. Better tools, new languages, new frameworks, improved frameworks etc. So now someone tell me why we get such sites? Why should I care about developers if they don't seem to care about me? And that's only the design and UX not to mention the whole tracking and spying.

It's the business that doesn't care about you, not the developers.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by leavenotracks »

danuker wrote: post #105
leavenotracks wrote: post #82

So true, so sad. These days, when even a few hurdles of crap present themselves, I often just leave. I don’t care what the site has to say or sell me. Whenever I come across a site that just displays content immediately, it fills me with joy. Usually it’s some obscure personal or academic site, but for a moment I feel like I’ve found a gem in the desert and I browse happily for a while…then I promptly add to a list o…

Here's mine: https://danuker.go.ro/ Tip: add your site to your HN profile, and look at others' profile.

Thank you - great tip, and great site! I like that you also mix in articles in, what I presume, is your native Romanian.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by wisethrowaway »

ratww wrote: post #110
wisethrowaway wrote: post #103

It's been terrible in the last year. uBlock is not detecting Youtube ads, Twitter is blocking anonymous navigation And the examples of OP are all too accurate (Business Insider, Bloomberg, Forbes, Medium, virtually any platform).

I'm honestly liking it. When Youtube started showing ads for me I just stopped binge-watching videos on the site, and started using YouTube-dl and watching everything offline. I added those paywall sites to my hosts file block, I just don't care anymore. I already block everything from Facebook/Instagram, and I'm about to do the same with Twitter. My whole family and friend circle only really use WhatsApp/Telegram an…

Some websites go past the point of no return (for me Twitter, Reddit, I don't bother anymore)

But some websites were usable and now I am frustrated (in Bloomberg, newspapers the reader mode used to work but not anymore). Medium, Towardsdatascience have nice ML articles now often behind registration wall.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by ratww »

austincummings wrote: post #114
croes wrote: post #60

Web development and it's tools are often a top topic on HN. Better tools, new languages, new frameworks, improved frameworks etc. So now someone tell me why we get such sites? Why should I care about developers if they don't seem to care about me? And that's only the design and UX not to mention the whole tracking and spying.

It's the business that doesn't care about you, not the developers.

Considering that lots of developer blogs these days also employ some of those tricks, I wouldn't be so sure.

Re: How I Experience Web Today

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Post by leavenotracks »

themodelplumber wrote: post #90
leavenotracks wrote: post #82

So true, so sad. These days, when even a few hurdles of crap present themselves, I often just leave. I don’t care what the site has to say or sell me. Whenever I come across a site that just displays content immediately, it fills me with joy. Usually it’s some obscure personal or academic site, but for a moment I feel like I’ve found a gem in the desert and I browse happily for a while…then I promptly add to a list o…

> I long for a curated list of such sites. I don't know if this is good news but I started doing this a while back and found so many sites that it was futile to keep them in one list. These days I tend to keep them in contextual notes or databases. Also many of them fail to pass one or two annoyance tests, but I find that they're worth it anyway. For example they are not mobile friendly in some minor way, like the to…

> …but it's impressive to me just how deep the less-discovered, high quality web really is.

Would that there were a search engine out there that prioritised the indexing of these high quality ‘well behaved’ sites.

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