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Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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A few weeks back I sent money to someone on the Solana network and they saw it in their wallet before I could say I pressed send. That’s fairly valuable.

Did you include the time it takes to buy solana on an exchange and the time it takes to sell solana on another exchange and settlement periods on both sides? You said send money, which solana is not so you should include the whole process. Instant payments have been available through the world for ages, SEPA for instance and soon RTP in the US but that value doesn’t accrue to the underlying currency. That makes the s…

> You said send money, which solana is not so you should include the whole process.

You’re right, even though it’s still faster for me. But the whole point of allowing payments in crypto is removing steps from that process. Which is valuable.

> The value is captured in the equity of the companies not in dollars.

I do not care about companies. If it helps people I’m for it.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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You gotta love the HN crowd who finds a way to remain skeptical after cryptocurrency continues to occupy more and more ground in the financial world. Cryptocurrency continues to expand and grow by every conceivable metric and some people still think it's a fragile scam. Here's a hint: when your politicians already own cryptocurrency and are arguing in its favor, that's the signal that the industry has already basical…

As someone who‘s been through the dotcom bubble, I vividly remember talking to my classmate driving home on our bikes and he told me about the Infineon stock he just bought. We were kids, 16 years old and felt like the smart brokers in the magazines. In retrospect, the writing was on the wall when tabloids were advising to excited and innocent consumers which stock to buy on their front page. The shock didn‘t come mo…

People who are still comparing equity (a legal contract representing ownership in a centralized US company) to cryptocurrency (a novel class of commodities that has no central authority or legal structure) are comparing apples to gold bars.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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How does taking crypto improve lending or the customer experience. What value was created?

A few weeks back I sent money to someone on the Solana network and they saw it in their wallet before I could say I pressed send. That’s fairly valuable.

Today I sent EUR to someone by Bank (N26) and they had it in their account within a minute, no fee. A while back I sent a BTC transaction, $50 fee, and it took around 20 hours to confirm.

Fast, reliable transfers are valuable, but hardly a property of crypto alone.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

#114

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Did you include the time it takes to buy solana on an exchange and the time it takes to sell solana on another exchange and settlement periods on both sides? You said send money, which solana is not so you should include the whole process. Instant payments have been available through the world for ages, SEPA for instance and soon RTP in the US but that value doesn’t accrue to the underlying currency. That makes the s…

Personal anecdotes about this: Everyone I talk to who has actually used cryptocurrency all think it's easier to use than conventional finance. Venmo and Circle have cash limits (which caused a problem when I was helping someone buy a car once) as well as geographic restrictions (which was also a problem once when I was sending someone in South America some payments). It also takes 3 days to verify a new bank with Ven…

Wait until you find out how many cryptocurrencies there are!

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal anecdotes about this: Everyone I talk to who has actually used cryptocurrency all think it's easier to use than conventional finance. Venmo and Circle have cash limits (which caused a problem when I was helping someone buy a car once) as well as geographic restrictions (which was also a problem once when I was sending someone in South America some payments). It also takes 3 days to verify a new bank with Ven…

Wait until you find out how many cryptocurrencies there are!

I have a single app that can 1) host hundreds of different coins, and 2) convert them on a built in exchange. So this has been a complete non-issue for me.

If there's a single app that lets me use Venmo and Paypal and Cashapp all at the same time, I'd love to know about it.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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Will people using crypto to buy/finance houses need to provide documentation regarding the provenance of the funds as well as being in the clear around any tax declarations? If not, there would likely be some who see this as a vehicle to clean up some holdings, depending on provenance.

Is documentation for the provenance of funds, typically required in all cash real estate transactions?

I was required to disclose the source of my down payment funds when purchasing my house. They asked where the funds came from since my bank statement just showed a deposit in that amount in one block. It took a while to convince them that it was not a gift or another loan to pay off.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few weeks back I sent money to someone on the Solana network and they saw it in their wallet before I could say I pressed send. That’s fairly valuable.

Today I sent EUR to someone by Bank (N26) and they had it in their account within a minute, no fee. A while back I sent a BTC transaction, $50 fee, and it took around 20 hours to confirm. Fast, reliable transfers are valuable, but hardly a property of crypto alone.

> A while back I sent a BTC transaction, $50 fee, and it took around 20 hours to confirm.

Haha yeah I specified SOL for that reason. I don’t envy anyone moving BTC and ETH around but I suppose the beauty is in choice. I can’t Zelle you USD overseas but I can send crypto just as fast.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

#118

You gotta love the HN crowd who finds a way to remain skeptical after cryptocurrency continues to occupy more and more ground in the financial world. Cryptocurrency continues to expand and grow by every conceivable metric and some people still think it's a fragile scam. Here's a hint: when your politicians already own cryptocurrency and are arguing in its favor, that's the signal that the industry has already basical…

As someone who‘s been through the dotcom bubble, I vividly remember talking to my classmate driving home on our bikes and he told me about the Infineon stock he just bought. We were kids, 16 years old and felt like the smart brokers in the magazines. In retrospect, the writing was on the wall when tabloids were advising to excited and innocent consumers which stock to buy on their front page. The shock didn‘t come mo…

>I‘m not worried about crypto being here to stay. That won‘t happen. I‘m worried about what it will take with it when it vaporizes in front of the bulls.

Can you elaborate? You think all cryptocurrencies will disappear / drop to $0.00?

I'm sure there'll be more massive market crashes to come, but you're saying one day every cryptocurrency will suddenly just be done and gone and that's it and no one's using, buying, or selling any cryptocurrencies again after that point?

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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> The use of crypto in real estate purchases has a history dating back seven years, with BitPay helping facilitate the sale of a Lake Tahoe property that sold for $1.6 million in BTC in 2014. In case anyone's wondering, it was 2,739 BTC, which would be worth around $127M today. See: https://www.wsj.com/articles/lake-tahoe-property-sells-for-1...

Lesson: rent and keep your Bitcoins...

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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post #25

> The use of crypto in real estate purchases has a history dating back seven years, with BitPay helping facilitate the sale of a Lake Tahoe property that sold for $1.6 million in BTC in 2014. In case anyone's wondering, it was 2,739 BTC, which would be worth around $127M today. See: https://www.wsj.com/articles/lake-tahoe-property-sells-for-1...

This transaction was actually facilitated by chamath palihapitiya who paid USD cash to a Bitcoin company who bought it and paid out the seller in USD cash. It was a publicity stunt to prop up Bitcoin and it worked.

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