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The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by redthrowaway »

palish wrote: post #87
CaptainZapp wrote: post #72

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I add it here, because at your more inner post there's no reply link. If you think Chicken McNuggets have a lot to do with chicken, think again. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_McNuggets "As of October 9, 2010, the ingredients are as follows: Chicken, water, salt, sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: bleached wheat flour, water, wheat flour, food starch-modified, salt, spices, wheat gluten, paprika…

Keep in mind I said "McChicken", not "McNuggets". It's a sandwich with mayo and lettuce. But I'm sure it's similarly "bad" for me.

It's made with the same "chicken", which is blended, has fillers added, then pressed into breast-like shapes. It's not at all healthy: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/foods-from-mcdonalds/623...

An 8 oz can of coke has 142 calories, all from sugar. That means you're consuming 1562, or 75% of your daily recommended caloric intake from sugar alone. That's fucking terrible, man. Stop doing that.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by sambeau »

sandGorgon wrote: post #97
palish wrote: post #69

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This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

based on your spice tolerance, thai food is the best option. It usually uses flat rice noodles (which just need to be soaked... not even cooked) and thousands of stirfries made possible with ready pastes and a few veggies/meat. I would bet that you can whip some up under 5 minutes. And diet coke will not cause your body to have the same insulin response as sugar based drinks. Also, go read fittit (/r/fitness)

"And diet coke will not cause your body to have the same insulin response as sugar based drinks."

This has recently been shown to be untrue.

Recent research on rats and humans shows that drinking diet drinks gives the body an expectation of calories that it then does not receive. Perhaps due to a Pavlovian response but physically real nonetheless, the digestive system switches on and gears up to digest. When no calories are received the body reacts by demanding the calories it missed out on: an effect very similar to to the 'insulin' response.

In lab tests: rats fed water + food kept a steady weight; sweeteners + food put on weight; sugar-water + food lost weight.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by roel_v »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #110
roel_v wrote: post #100

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Your post does not in any way prove that there isn't a lot of chicken in a McNugget (I don't know anything about them, so not claiming there is or isn't). Just because there are a lot of added ingredients, if the overall mass of the chicken is 95% (some made up number, again I don't know anything about this), it's not true that McNuggets 'don't have a lot to do with chicken'.

Sigh! From http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/195157/exposing_mcd... Here's a fun fact: their "chicken" is actually, at most, 44 percent chicken. The rest is mostly corn, salt, preservatives, and a few other interesting nasties. If you can come up with a better source I'm happy to consider it.

Yes, at least that post has numbers - with 44% I guess it's fair to say that McNuggets are not very chicken-like. My point was that the GP didn't offer content that supported that conclusion, but instead only gave the illusion by listing a bunch of ingredients without providing proportions.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by roel_v »

palish wrote: post #102
roel_v wrote: post #99

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"It's a little hard to judge from a fully-clothed shot," Be careful there - next thing you know he's going to post a photo in his underwear. All for science, of course ;)

Well, if you insist... But on the other hand, you could get those pictures from your mom. (Hi Sarah! ;))

Not sure if this was an Eddy Murphy imitation or that you mistake me for someone else?

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by palish »

sambeau wrote: post #112
sandGorgon wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

based on your spice tolerance, thai food is the best option. It usually uses flat rice noodles (which just need to be soaked... not even cooked) and thousands of stirfries made possible with ready pastes and a few veggies/meat. I would bet that you can whip some up under 5 minutes. And diet coke will not cause your body to have the same insulin response as sugar based drinks. Also, go read fittit (/r/fitness)

"And diet coke will not cause your body to have the same insulin response as sugar based drinks." This has recently been shown to be untrue. Recent research on rats and humans shows that drinking diet drinks gives the body an expectation of calories that it then does not receive. Perhaps due to a Pavlovian response but physically real nonetheless, the digestive system switches on and gears up to digest. When no calor…

Hey, thanks. Would you mind linking to the actual studies so I can read them?

The "sugar-water + food = lost weight" bit is especially striking...

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by jules »

palish wrote: post #69
JanezStupar wrote: post #67

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Dude I hate to break you're little bubble - but you fat. You might not be as hopelessly obese as people you are used to calling fat. But the truth is you are fat too. You don't look healthy either and with continuing your lifestyle like you do, You are a ticking timebomb of diabetes, cholesterol issues, gout and other nasty metabolic diseases. Take an example of my mother, she is 70 and has developed both gout and di…

This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

44oz of water: $0.00

Put water in a pan, bring to a boil. Meanwhile cut one onion into small pieces. Put oil in a frying pan and heat, then add minced meat. Add pasta and a bit of salt to now boiling water. When it starts to be a bit brown, add the onion, stir. Add any spices, e.g. thyme and laurel leaf. Add 500ml pureed tomatoes (you can but this you don't have to do it yourself). Add a crushed broth cube, and a teaspoon of sugar. Add crushed, diced garlic. Let it stay on the heat for 4 minutes. Now your pasta should be ready. Eat with Parmesan cheese and some vegetables.

Total time: 10 minutes. Number of meals cooked: 2, so 5 minutes per meal. Total cost per meal less than $1.81.

You are not doing it the convenient way.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by darklajid »

Cushman wrote: post #12

Secret ingredient? It's sugar water. This is like talking about the chemicals they put into Coke... Yeah, they're in there, and maybe they shouldn't be, but that's not why you drink it and that's not why it's bad for you. Edit: Downvote why? Sugars in 10oz Coca-Cola classic: 33g. Sugars in 10oz Tropicana Pure Premium original orange juice: 28.1g. [1] http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-coca-cola-classic-i98... [2]…

The articles was about 100% juice. Unless your system of labeling works a lot different in your part of the world you cannot add things to juice and still call it 100% juice.

The blog mentions a ~trick~ to recreate a well-known and stable flavor by adding orange-derived chemicals - but you still cannot add 'sugar water'.

Yes, that stuff contains a lot of sugar. But so does an orange from your own garden (still healthier if you eat the whole fruit, not just the 'sugar water' aka fruit juice).

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by adolph »

bfe wrote: post #53
KristenM wrote: post #21

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Good news! I'm not an industry shill. I'm a stay at home mom who homeschools my three kids and earns money blogging. If you read the disclosure statements on my site, you'll see that I never write paid posts or content. I do sell advertising, though, (from which I make a pretty penny, thank you) and the link is a link to a page full of text ads. I used to be a copywriter, but haven't done that since my blog took off…

Welcome and glad to have you. And while you're not a shill, I find your site misguided, in overly relying on equating natural, traditional diets with healthy, leading you to some recommendations that are orthogonal to healthiness, like fermented veggies and sprouted grains, and some that are unhelpful to health, like red meat and butter. The people of Finland drastically improved their health metrics when they transi…

Citation please!

Modern scientific findings, properly analyzed, are an astonishingly better guide to human health than any traditional collection of folk wisdom.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by bfe »

jokull wrote: post #104
bfe wrote: post #53

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Welcome and glad to have you. And while you're not a shill, I find your site misguided, in overly relying on equating natural, traditional diets with healthy, leading you to some recommendations that are orthogonal to healthiness, like fermented veggies and sprouted grains, and some that are unhelpful to health, like red meat and butter. The people of Finland drastically improved their health metrics when they transi…

I haven't commented on Hacker News for a while now. But let me rake in the downvotes and say that this kind of answer is the reason I can't be bothered anymore. Let's face it, this is a geeky forum. And geeks just can't refrain from giving their opinions and facts. They only need to spend a night reading Wikipedia articles about nutrition to have the right to shit all over someones comments that are marginally overla…

When someone takes it on herself to actively evangelize an analysis she acknowledges is controversial, she should expect to be treated like an adult and be presented with honest opposing views, in whatever venue she chooses to take part in. And I'd find a forum disappointing if its default ethic were to reaffirm to all its participants that their current coding knowledge, startup idea, or pseudoscientific views were equally valid and had no room for improvement by frank feedback. I'll let you get back to your much more civilized forums where people simply present their rational analysis and supporting evidence rather than tossing around exclamations of "shit" and "jesus christ" at other participants, especially as part of a call for civility. Oh wait.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by bmj »

bfe wrote: post #53
KristenM wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good news! I'm not an industry shill. I'm a stay at home mom who homeschools my three kids and earns money blogging. If you read the disclosure statements on my site, you'll see that I never write paid posts or content. I do sell advertising, though, (from which I make a pretty penny, thank you) and the link is a link to a page full of text ads. I used to be a copywriter, but haven't done that since my blog took off…

Welcome and glad to have you. And while you're not a shill, I find your site misguided, in overly relying on equating natural, traditional diets with healthy, leading you to some recommendations that are orthogonal to healthiness, like fermented veggies and sprouted grains, and some that are unhelpful to health, like red meat and butter. The people of Finland drastically improved their health metrics when they transi…

To add to adolph's comment, could you point a citation to back up this?

And while you're not a shill, I find your site misguided, in overly relying on equating natural, traditional diets with healthy, leading you to some recommendations that are orthogonal to healthiness, like fermented veggies and sprouted grains, and some that are unhelpful to health, like red meat and butter. The people of Finland drastically improved their health metrics when they transitioned to a modern mainstream European diet away from their natural, traditional Finnish diet of lots of red meat and butter.

Additionally, how does a "modern mainstream European diet" compare to a traditional Finnish diet?

I've been reading Kristen's blog for a long time. I don't agree with everything I read, and I tend to be skeptical of strong opinions on either side of an equation. That said, I can't help but agree with the basic premise of the post: food producers are not entirely truthful about what's in the stuff they produce and we put into our bodies. And our health and producers' bottom lines do not always line up. For example, did you know that factory farmed chickens are fed arsenic, and that often ends in the meat you purchase from the supermarket[1]? And this went on for many years before the FDA put a stop to it?

[1] http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=13793945

EDIT: Fixed italics.

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