WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

Post by badRNG » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 1:33 PM UTC

jensensbutton wrote: post #100

holstvoogd wrote: post #65

I'm so fucking tired of these asswipes from companies are a thousand times worse pretending they are better. They literally sell all your data to anyone who wants is, but noooo, apple bad! I'm not saying apple is some kind of bastion of privacy or whatever, but at least they are not selling my data to pay for their spyware vessels. To those 'experts': Get off you high horse and do better. Prove me wrong, go build a w…

You sound like someone lashing out after having their faith challenged. You're even making things up to make yourself feel better about your choices. Calm down. People challenging Apple to do better only benefits you.

Post by hef19898 » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

Raed667 wrote: post #66

hughrr wrote: post #6

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It’s too late either way. The fact that it even got this far through implementation says the vendor is not on my side. Not only that once capability is revealed it can be required by governments and manipulated under warrant. Particularly in some regimes, mine included, the vendor can be compelled to do something and not say anything. My comment doesn’t even cover how monumentally flawed the entire thing is either. S…

I'm not really sure about feature phones either. Modern Nokia ones come preloaded with Facebook and Whatsapp.

Post by hef19898 » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 1:43 PM UTC

GeekyBear wrote: post #73

zpeti wrote: post #3

I really hope there is enough momentum to stop this. It's definitely the last straw for me in terms of apple products. I haven't bought a new iphone for 4 years, I'm slowly trying to switch to a lightphone (non smartphone). My mac needs a change but I will probably switch to linux. It's absolutely ridiculous what apple has become. The exact opposite of what they used to represent, when I loved them. God rest Steve Jo…

>It's definitely the last straw for me in terms of apple products. Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, etc. have all been scanning content for those same child porn images for darn near a decade now. >The system that scans cloud drives for illegal images was created by Microsoft and Dartmouth College and donated to NCMEC. The organization creates signatures of the worst known images of child pornography, approximat…

Post by hef19898 » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 1:47 PM UTC

unionpivo wrote: post #97

traceroute66 wrote: post #80

I'm in two minds about this Apple news. In one part, the pro-privacy part of me is of course aghast at the whole idea. However... If you "read the room", there have been increasing noises from the global political world in recent years, and perhaps especially in the US. So if you think about it that way, it might be a case of Apple jumping before they were pushed. I mean, let's face it, if you wait for the politicos…

This is worse. If they ban encryption tech sector will kick up enough noise that even non tech people will at least notice. This way, it essentially opens a backdoor. Changing this from scanning hashes of pictures stored locally, to scanning for arbitrary things stored locally probably is not monumental task ( next in line probably hate speech ). And once you have that capability it's hard to argue to governments tha…

Post by hef19898 » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

adambatkin wrote: post #77

ashildr wrote: post #62

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Encryption does not help, Apple still is responsible. If Apple intends to let the user store photos in iCloud (or send by imessage) encrypted, they either have to keep the keys, so they can decrypt and scan the photos or or to keep the user from uploading incriminating content. Apple found a third way: they will only get to reconstruct the keys if the user uploads too many pictures triggering alarms.

Source? I am not aware of a law in the US that requires Apple to actively scan images, or to store them unencrypted (or keep copies of the keys).