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Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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There are captcha providers besides google, such as hcaptcha, or even rolling your own solution (a la old vbulletin forums)

sorry. meant better than captcha like solutions. i know there are others, but it's still click here until we believe you're not a bot.

https://friendlycaptcha.com/

Requires the browser to complete a Proof of Work challange.

Not for verifying humanness, but against spam / dos attacks.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…

It's for this very reason I'm so happy to see something like this article on HN, and I'm so happy to see your comment too. I think I know exactly where you're coming from -- I was exactly the same way when I was younger. I was 100% extremely logical, and my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped. Long story short, I got into different artistic pursuits where I was forced to develop my emotional awarene…

> I was exactly the same way when I was younger. > my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped.

Are you implying the GP's emotional awareness is "exceedingly underdeveloped" and that they'll grow out of it?

> you just haven't had the practice/opportunity to develop this side of things

> there absolutely is a reality that you haven't developed skills to see

Yes, it does seem like that's what you're saying. What kind of condescending bullshit is this? If they don't feel the same way you and author do then they're "underdeveloped"?

Not feeling the same way as other people about something is not some kind of disorder to overcome. This is the meaning of the phrase "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." People have varying preferences. Some like sports, some like this sport or another over that one. Some prefer music. Some don't get anything out of music. And all this is because of how they feel in relation to whatever subject and has nothing at all to do with a lack of development.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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It's for this very reason I'm so happy to see something like this article on HN, and I'm so happy to see your comment too. I think I know exactly where you're coming from -- I was exactly the same way when I was younger. I was 100% extremely logical, and my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped. Long story short, I got into different artistic pursuits where I was forced to develop my emotional awarene…

Just because mixedCase does not find captcha pictures to be depressing does not necessarily mean that mixedCase has problems with emotional intelligence. I have no major issues with emotional intelligence as far as I can tell and I also do not find captcha pictures to be depressing. Maybe I would if I looked at them for hours for some reason, but I do not, and certainly the idea of them being "unbearably" depressing…

>> does not necessarily mean that mixedCase has problems with emotional intelligence

Don't you think they do, though? I mean... not even recognizing the dry humor and hyperbole with which this article was written and taking it literally?

Or maybe it is me having the stroke.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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This is making me wonder if the experience is intentionally so bleak. It reminds me of how nowadays when I do an incognito Google search on my phone, I need three taps just to accept the terms of service. Same with YouTube. Maybe this level of cumbersomeness is somehow legally required now, but I find it more likely that this is an attempt to subconsciously encourage people to not browse incognito—so that they can be…

Google for: friction ux

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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> Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating In a quite a few instances, I find it flattering, because it implies "we haven't sucked enough data on you already to know if you are a human, so we need to be sure."

It's actually a sign of bad ergonomics and disrespect for your time and effort. There are already sites that know you're human by your mouse/touch behaviour. Only if js is blocked do they need to resort to those ridiculous multi-level games they make you play. My surprise if the sites that do those things turned out to be using humans for free labeling of images would be an exact, unsigned zero.

> Only if js is blocked do they need to resort to those ridiculous multi-level games they make you play.

In all fairness, i usually do that.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I hate captchas with a passion, yet I was recently forced to deploy it on website due to direct instructions from the credit card processor. The system was being used to roll through credit cards script-o-matically, and they mandated captchas to be deployed on threat of closing our account if not. So if anyone has better solution so I can eliminate the G and is Wordpress happy, I'm all ears (or eyes reading in this c…

There are captcha providers besides google, such as hcaptcha, or even rolling your own solution (a la old vbulletin forums)

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Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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It's for this very reason I'm so happy to see something like this article on HN, and I'm so happy to see your comment too. I think I know exactly where you're coming from -- I was exactly the same way when I was younger. I was 100% extremely logical, and my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped. Long story short, I got into different artistic pursuits where I was forced to develop my emotional awarene…

> I was exactly the same way when I was younger. > my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped. Are you implying the GP's emotional awareness is "exceedingly underdeveloped" and that they'll grow out of it? > you just haven't had the practice/opportunity to develop this side of things > there absolutely is a reality that you haven't developed skills to see Yes, it does seem like that's what you're saying…

Sorry, that's not what I meant but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. So let me rephrase.

I intended the word "underdeveloped" not as a value judgment, just a practical sense -- in the same way my own baseball skills are underdeveloped i.e. nonexistent. If you replace it with "less developed" that might be clearer. I meant it just in the context of the goal of someone trying to understand and relate to the article.

My main point being that it's not something you're born with or not, but that you can choose to develop. That the potential is there. But you're under no obligation to, it absolutely is a choice/preference.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Some of the captcha photos remind me of Studio Ghibli's animation films, in a positive way. The films linger on random objects in landscapes, from a variety of perspectives, for longer than feels "natural". Something about the effect is mesmerizing.

When I finished Whisper of the Heart, I remembered thinking that Kondo had made the suburbs of Tokyo look beautiful. It seemed that he'd done so simply by depicting them, by showing them as worth looking at.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…

I think the difference is one of expectations. I get the strong impression that the author of the article is accustomed to images "meaning" something and being presented by photographers who are trying to "say" something.

Fashionable urban types dress up to attend gallery showings at which a bored-looking hipster photographer is displaying his framed images of grainy, empty street scenes of nothing in particular taken from odd angles. Each photo of nothing is a deeply meaningful expression of nihilistic enlightenment or a tour-de-force denunciation of capitalism or materialism or whatever, and if you're sophisticated enough, you can buy one for $10,000.

Hilariously, these captcha images that are just random shots in random directions look just like deliberate dreary, sophisticated, urban expressions of nihilism. But only if you are accustomed to assuming that photos "mean" something, so a photo of nothing must be expressing something: nihilism.

But if you walked down the street and saw most of those scenes, you wouldn't think about it at all. Equivalent, meaningless scenes are around you most of the time, indoors and out. And if you don't unconsciously assume that an image is trying to say something, an image of nothing won't feel depressing at all.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry. meant better than captcha like solutions. i know there are others, but it's still click here until we believe you're not a bot.

https://friendlycaptcha.com/ Requires the browser to complete a Proof of Work challange. Not for verifying humanness, but against spam / dos attacks.

Oops. I broke it. I tried their demo, and got this as a response:

"Demo Friendly Captcha in action The form was unable to submit. Please contact the site administrator."

Demo Hell 101. Make sure the demo shows the product working.

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