The opening session of the house committee investigating the attack contains first-hand accounts from officers.
Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or it could be "suicide." After all, there's four of them now, and a fifth one of "stroke," so what are the odds? As you said, who knows. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/02/politics/dc-metropolitan-...
This was my thought as well. Perhaps they got orders to shoot at unarmed people, wanted to testify about it, and were silenced?
Or orders to let agents provocateurs push things up to a certain point.
Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide
#113Is this a normal rate of suicide in these circumstances? Is there anything to indicate that these are instead murders in order to hide something?
> Is there anything to indicate that these are instead murders in order to hide something?
The huge number of instigators of the riot and leadership in some of the organizations who turned out to be FBI "informants" does call for some sideways glances.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
He says where violence comes from. It's not justifying violence, it's saying why it exists and what area should be looked in for solution.
>He says where violence comes from. They do not in fact. They insinuate that police is arresting blacks as a modern sequel to slavery. That's a complete reversal of cause and effect. Blacks are disproportionally targeted because they're committing criminal acts at disproportionally higher levels compared to every other "marginalized" minority. There's a reason the 13/50 trope exists for blacks and not for Asians.
By what mechanism, exactly, does this occur? What causes different races to commit crimes at different rates? It can't be genetic, since there's not actually any genetic markers which distinguish races (race is an illusion); so, what caused it?
The standard historical answer is that our society caused it, not just with slavery, but with redlining, ghettos, and voter suppression.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time. Maybe it's a legacy of slavery and later segregation. Maybe it's a lack of unifying national spirit (the melting pot of cultural assimilation and a desire to be a small spice in a greater whole) which might have just been wishful thinking on the part of history book authors. I suspect most of the non-anarchist who feel…
>Some communities have also been disproportionately persecuted by the police for, a very long time. The criminal community?
It's your lucky day for learning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_patrol
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Blacks are disproportionally targeted because they're committing criminal acts at disproportionally higher levels compared to every other "marginalized" minority. I agree, but just because blacks commit more crimes, it is NOT valid to harass innocent blacks. When you harass innocent blacks, you have more resentment from general populace. It is easy to see all blacks as criminals when all you see every day are black…
But when policing is reduced in these communities, the crime rate skyrockets. There's a much deeper problem that isn't being addressed by "defund the police". Indeed, that's why disproportionate targeting still exists. We've forgotten that the police policy that BLM objects to now was supported not long ago by Democrats and black community leaders, because crime was a major problem, but now we're starting to remember…
Yes, that's why police should be retrained/reformed and better funded, but it is not considered an option, currently it's either more (bad) policing or less (bad) policing, not better policing. Everyone sees the problem, but doesn't want harder good solution, only easier bad solution.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Drug tests should be banned for most folks. Additionally: What is a trace amount after a weekend? Can you tell if someone smoked pot on Sunday rather than Monday on a Wednesday drug test? Does it matter if it is a "heavy" drug (say, mushrooms?)? Does it matter that someone did a couple of lines of coke saturday rather than be drunk and high from Friday to Sunday?
> Can you tell if someone smoked pot on Sunday rather than Monday on a Wednesday drug test? I don't really know. I thought there would be difference in concentration. > Does it matter if it is a "heavy" drug (say, mushrooms?)? Mushrooms are not a hard drug. Fentanyl/heroine and crack are. > Does it matter that someone did a couple of lines of coke saturday rather than be drunk and high from Friday to Sunday? IMHO the…
I don't really know. I thought there would be difference in concentration.
That concentration depends on the person: A person with more fat will show a higher concentration for a longer amount of time. If you don't smoke often, you might find that you get it out of your system rather fast. In short, tests aren't all that helpful with pot, and you won't realistically be able to tell if they smoked last night after work or last saturday during off time.
> Does it matter if it is a "heavy" drug (say, mushrooms?)?
Mushrooms are not a hard drug. Fentanyl/heroine and crack are.
Mushrooms and LSD are classified that way by many folks, though - including the US government. Fentanyl isn't instantly addictive - if it were, they wouldn't use it in hospitals. People do heroine occasionally without being addicted, too (most folks don't shoot up). Same with cocaine. I don't know as much about crack, but there was a time when folks did meth on a more recreational basis instead of all the time (I've never personally done it, no desire).
And that's the issue. "Hard" depends on some combination of use, effect, and what frequent use does. Regardless, plenty of people do "hard" drugs occasionally and you'll never know. And if it is better to you that someone do some cocaine - generally accepted as a hard, addictive drug (through propaganda) - than be drunk all weekend, in some ways, you already know this. A drug test isn't gonna help most of these, though.
Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
>He says where violence comes from. They do not in fact. They insinuate that police is arresting blacks as a modern sequel to slavery. That's a complete reversal of cause and effect. Blacks are disproportionally targeted because they're committing criminal acts at disproportionally higher levels compared to every other "marginalized" minority. There's a reason the 13/50 trope exists for blacks and not for Asians.
By what mechanism, exactly, does this occur? What causes different races to commit crimes at different rates? It can't be genetic, since there's not actually any genetic markers which distinguish races (race is an illusion); so, what caused it? The standard historical answer is that our society caused it, not just with slavery, but with redlining, ghettos, and voter suppression.
> What causes different races to commit crimes at different rates?
It's about culture, choices you make and choices that are available to you (in ghetto, you may have no choice). The most memorable photo for me when those discussions appear:
https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/127081025725892198...
Re: Fourth police officer who responded to Jan 6 attack dies by suicide
#119I think it’s funny this hasn’t been flagged as having nothing to do with hackernews. I guess lots of you love to share your edgy mildly racist opinions by shoehorning BLM into this.
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#120These officers faced BLM hostility on the left, as well as violence against them and accusations of being traitors from the right. The public that they're supposed to serve was spitting on them and demonizing them from both sides. Add a pandemic to the mix, and anybody's mental health would be flatlining. Suicide among some of them is tragic but not surprising. I don't know how effective counseling services are, but…
That you start off with shoehorning legit BLM protest against police brutality into this tells us everything we need to know.